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|May-06-04|| ||Calli: I think you all need to go back and read Honza's post. Bf5 is an error, but 18...Kf7?? is the blunder. My guess is that Chigorin was shaken on discovering his miscalculation and did not see the simple Nf5-Nd6 by Marshall. |
|May-08-04|| ||LIFE Master AJ: <Everyone>
Has anyone looked at my annotations yet?? What did you think?
|May-08-04|| ||Lawrence: <Honza> and <Calli>, Junior agrees with you that 18...Kf7 lost the game. eval +3.90 18...Nd7 gets a +0.85.|
After 14.Nh4 the engine considers 14...Bf5 one of the worst possible moves, ranking it as the 25th(!!) candidate and after a couple of minutes drops it down to 29th place.
Junior finds 24.Rxg7! eval +15.88, much stronger than Marshall's 24.Bb1 (which still gets +5.25, clearly a won game.)
<AJ>, your annotations are great, as always, and I liked the fact that you put in lots of diagrams so it was possible for even a "beginner" like me to follow the game.
|May-08-04|| ||LIFE Master AJ: <Lawrence> Thanks - but how many of these ideas would you have found without a computer? |
I mention the capture on g7 ... I had a letter posted in the FL State Chess Magazine in the 1970's about this idea. Burgess mentions this as well ... maybe in the excellent book: "Chess Highlights of The 20th Century."
Thanks again, a nice job on the analysis. (aj)
|May-09-04|| ||Lawrence: <AJ>, "how many of these ideas would you have found without a computer?"--frankly, not one. Being retired, I have the time to put these games through the engine, and the results are my basic contribution to this site, for those not bored by computer analysis. I'm sure the enginephobes have long since learned not to read my postings. |
|May-09-04|| ||ughaibu: Lawrence: Even enginephobes, or at least one of them, read your posts for their excellent wit. |
|May-10-04|| ||LIFE Master AJ: <Reply to everyone>
It is still an excellent game ... regardless of what you think about the ...Bf5 move. My friend - who has the nicest site on Cambridge Springs, 1904; thought it was extremely <ah> "gutsy" of Marshall to strand his Knights in the middle of nowhere. I know of few other games where you see this concept. |
|Jan-07-06|| ||Boomie: A good alternative to 4...c6 is Nc6.
4...Nc6 5. d5 Ne5 6. Qd4 Nf7 7. Bxf6 exf6 8. Nxe4 Be7 9. O-O-O O-O with an interesting game.
5. Bxf6 is not very good against 4...c6. Better is 5. f3.
5. f3 Qa5 6. Qd2 exf3 7. Nxf3 e6 with equality.
Black stumbles with 8...Be6. Bd6 followed by O-O maintains the edge.
8...Bd6 9. Bd3 O-O 10. c3 Qc7
13...Nf8 seems slack. Although it's hard to develop the knight in this opening, it's well enough placed on d7. From there it supports c5 or can go to f6 after f5. After g6 and Kg7, black's position is solid.
14. Nh4 is a move that can be kindly described as Romantic, although I doubt Morphy would play it here.
14. Qc2 Ng6 15. c4 is better.
14...Bf5 is bad for the many reasons mentioned below plus it makes 14. Nh4 look like a good move. Obviously Chigorin thought that white had to protect his queen. Once again, g6 is a solid move that controls the vital f5 square and renders the knight on h4 meaningless.
17. Nc8 nearly throws the win away although it leads to a delightful position. Better was 17. c4.
17. c4 Qb4
(17...Rxb2 18. Rfe1+ Kd7 19. Bf5+ Ne6 20. Rxb2 Qxb2 21. Rxe6)
18. c5 Re4 19. Ngxe4 dxe4 20. Bxe4
|Jan-14-07|| ||sfm: "blunder"
A gross error or mistake, resulting from carelessness, stupidity, or culpable ignorance.
|Jan-14-07|| ||uuft: I'm not worthy.|
|Jan-14-07|| ||hellopolgar: this game is descent but far from being "the best game" of someone who is at Marshall's level. the only shining move is 17. Nc8 and it is something we might see on yahoo chess. the title is a nice pun tho.|
|Jan-15-07|| ||kevin86: This is a good gamit by Marshall,though not his best. My choice would be the Gold Piece game Lewitsky-Marshall.|
|Jun-05-09|| ||WhiteRook48: funny pun|
|Jun-05-09|| ||sfm: "culpable"
meriting condemnation or blame especially as wrong or harmful (14th century English / Webster)
|Jun-05-09|| ||sfm: So:
A mistake that should be surprisingly obvious for the player, given his general level of play. (sfm)
|Dec-11-10|| ||mastermind7994: Very nice game played in 1905 by Marshall. The game is very instructive by itself showing great tactical eye by White.|
|Jun-02-13|| ||LIFE Master AJ: http://www.angelfire.com/games4/lif...|
My web page on this game ... someone should tell the staff here that they HAVE to add this game to Marshall's list of notable games ... about 10 GM's have all told me that this is one of Marshall's very best games. (Alburt and Soltis, for starters.)
|Jan-23-14|| ||optimal play: <Boomie> <Black stumbles with 8...Be6. Bd6 followed by O-O maintains the edge.> L Goldsmith vs C M Fisher, 1875|
|Feb-28-14|| ||LIFE Master AJ: There WAS something about this tournament, <Ostende 1905> produced so many great games of chess.|
|Sep-02-17|| ||eykca: Incredible...|
|Jan-09-18|| ||ChessHigherCat: The slick 20...Bg4 is outmanured by the slicker Ng5+!|
|Jan-09-18|| ||Boomie: <ChessHigherCat: The slick 20...Bg4 is outmanured by the slicker Ng5+!>|
Perhaps you mean 13...Bg4.
The "outmanured" pun is amusing.
|Jan-09-18|| ||ChessHigherCat: <Boomie> Right, sorry, I meant 12...Bg4 with the idea of 13. Qd1 Bxf3 and white would have to retake with the g-pawn to prevent Qxd4.|
|Jan-09-18|| ||Boomie: After 12...Bg4 13. Ng5+ fxg5 14. Qxg4 Nf6 15. Qxg5 Qxd4 16. Nf5 Qb6|
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It appears to be a game. I don't see any white crush though the pressure on g7 is a bit of a bother. Of course, I'm flying without a parachute here.
|Jan-09-18|| ||ChessHigherCat: <Boomie> I didn't mean that white would win a big advantage from Ng5+, I was just trying to figure out why black didn't play 12...Bg4 to take advantage of the discovered threat to the Q and then saw it wasn't really any good because of Ng5+.|
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