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Nov-17-04
 | | ray keene: <pvs> san remo 1930-bled 1931-london 1932-berne 1932-zurich 1934 and two match wins v bogoljubov-these were alekhines main triumphs after the capa match. bogo is often dismissed as a buffoon who didnt deserve a title shot but for their 1929 clash this judgement is unfair. bogo was the obvious challenger having notched superb tournament reults in the 1920's twice finishing ahead of capa. |
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| Nov-17-04 | | square dance: <ray keene> do you think that bogo deserved a title shot more than capa in 1929? |
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| Nov-17-04 | | drukenknight: There are some pretty good Bogo. games out there yes but I swear to God, whenever he plays ALkehin, Alekhine could have beaten him blindfold. Then again you can find games where Bogo does beat him on occasion, my guess is Alek. had to let him win a few otherwise the public would not buy it. GO ahead look at the games, isnt Bogo. just awful vs. ALekhine? |
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Nov-17-04
| | ray keene: bogos tournament wins in the 1920's definitely qualified him for a title shot ahead of capa. in fact experts at the time greeted the alekhine bogo games with sighs of relief because the alekhine capa match was -like kramnik-leko- deemed to be boring. i think alekhine and bogo both had violent styles and it was natural that alekhine lost a few whilst winning the majority. the risks he took were immense. but if you think bogo played badly v alekhine then take a look at bogos games v capablanca-hopeless-didnt score a single win. which brings me on to 1934 when bogo definitely did not deserve a second title shot-capa did but the documents show that he simply cdnt get his act or the finance together for a challenge. probably after alekhine -capa 1 no sponsor was prepared to pay for a rerun which cd have been just as tedious as the first one. |
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| Nov-28-04 | | kostich in time: With alldue respect to Mr Keene, I wonder if the second match would have been as tedious..Capablanca was insanely determined to get "his title" back. one of the problems with the 1927 match was that it was almost invariably devoted to a single variation of asingle opening..I suspect Capa would have varied his weapons in a return match..the post 27 period see him palaying more nimzos against d4 |
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| Nov-28-04 | | kostich in time: one note..though Fine did not play very well at Kemeri, this game is still very impressive...Alekhine essentially paralyzes one of the top players in the world |
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Nov-29-04
| | ray keene: i think i am right that capa just cdnt get the money for a rematch-the overwhelming public view was that it wd last forever and be boring-very hard to raise money under such circumstances. |
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| Nov-29-04 | | kostich in time: Grandmaster Keene; You are right..it was hard for Capa to raise money after 1927. He played very well in28 and 29, but he finished second to Bogo at Bad Kissingen(despite beating him badly in one of their games)and to NImzowitsch at Carlsbad..Between 32 and 35, he was 'semi-retired" from Chess..I think all he played was a living pieces game in Hollywood with Steiner.
He had other problems. First of all, there were poliitcal changes in Cuba. The new government actually wanted Capablanca to do diplomatic WORK, and not just be a good-will ambassador.Secondly, his marriage was falling apart. |
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| May-28-05 | | Tabula Rasa: 32.Kc3! Preventing a threat by King aggression.
Alekhine turns the hunted into the hunter.
Black was threatening both 32...Nb3+ and 32...Rxd5+. But after 32.Kc3! if black goes 32...Rxd5? it loses a piece after 33.Kc4! or 32...Nd7 loses material to 33.Be7 |
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May-28-05
 | | OhioChessFan: Why doesn't 32.......Nd6 work? |
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May-28-05
 | | beatgiant: <OhioChessFan>
If nothing else, 32...Nd6 33. Bxc5 Nxf5 34. Bxa7 Rxd5 35. Bb8, looks extremely strong and probably winning. White threatens to break through the queenside by 36. a6 or 36. Bc7 followed by b6, a6, etc., creating an unstoppable passed pawn. |
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| May-28-05 | | aw1988: Alekhine's strongest years were undoubtedly 1930-1932. San Remo 1930 and Bled 1931 were absolutely stunning tournament victories. |
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May-28-05
| | OhioChessFan: <Beat giant> I had your line. It seems 35...Rxb5 36. Kc4 Rb2 leaves Black some counterplay. Where is White's win after that? |
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May-28-05
| | beatgiant: <OhioChessFan>
You are right, the line I gave ending with <35. Bb8?> is a blunder. Instead, after 32...Nd6 33. Bxc5 Nxf5 34. Bxa7 Rxd5 probably <35. Kc4> instead is good enough, and it is still hard to stop the queenside pawns. For example, 35...Rd2 36. b6 Rb2 37. Rd1 f6 38. Rd7 Ra2 39. Rxb7 Rxa5 40. Rd7, followed by 41. b7 etc. |
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May-28-05
| | OhioChessFan: Instead, after 32...Nd6 33. Bxc5 Nxf5 34. Bxa7 Rxd5 probably <35. Kc4> instead is good enough, and it is still hard to stop the queenside pawns. For example, 35...Rd2 36. b6 Rb2 37. Rd1 f6 38. Rd7 Ra2 39. Rxb7 Rxa5 40. Rd7, followed by 41. b7 etc. <Beatgiant> I know the win is there, and Kc4 is the move that makes it work. I am trying 36....Nd4 in your line above and not sure where that leads. Forgetting the blunder in the game, I think Fine could have made it much harder for Alekhine than 32...b6. I have no idea why I'm trying so hard to find a line for Black to hold, but I am enjoying the chase. |
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May-28-05
| | beatgiant: <OhioChessFan>
<I am enjoying the chase.>
Understood; so are we all.
On the suggested 32...Nd6 33. Bxc5 Nxf5 34. Bxa7 Rxd5 35. Kc4 Rd2 36. b6 <Nd4>, White can probably play the simple 37. a6 bxa6 38. Rxa6, threatening both 39. Ra8+ and 39. b7. |
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| May-28-05 | | fgh: Nice game. |
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May-29-05
| | OhioChessFan: On the suggested 32...Nd6 33. Bxc5 Nxf5 34. Bxa7 Rxd5 35. Kc4 Rd2 36. b6 <Nd4>, White can probably play the simple 37. a6 bxa6 38. Rxa6, threatening both 39. Ra8+ and 39. b7. <Beatgiant> In the above line, I know you meant Ra8+ is threatned later on, not on move 39. I have spent some time playing with 37...Nc6 but the pawns are too much. It's interesting how strong an offensive force the White King is. Black is essentially playing a piece down on the Queen side. There's even a couple lines where Kc5 is an important move. |
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| Jun-09-07 | | sanyas: "my best purely positional acheivement of the last few years" - Alekhine. |
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| Jul-27-08 | | Ulhumbrus: Horowitz gives the move 22 Ne3 an exclamation mark.
22 Ne3 attacks a square which is covered by a black pawn, the square d5. The move 22 Ne3 prepares to place the N on a square which isn't available yet, the square d5, a square which will become available in the event of ...e5. This suggests the question of why Black will play ..e5. The answer seems to be, to free Black's QB. So a move which frees Black's QB - the move ...e5 - also makes a concession, that of displacing a pawn defending d5. Thus the move Ne3 prepares to place the N on a square (d5) whose pawn cover will be relinquished in the event that Black chooses to free his QB. Horowitz describes Alekhine's play in the present game as "positional play of the highest order". I don't know whether the potential access to d5 which the Ne3 gains is one of Horowitz's reasons for describing Alekhine's play in that way. |
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| Jul-27-08 | | Blaise99a: ok, 22 Ne3 is a good move along with a4 follow-up, impeccable, but the real question is what the heck was Fine thinking with 21.... Nb6 ? Not only is this is the beginning of his difficulties, but what is its purpose? 21....Nc7 is completely natural, no threat of double pawns, no need to think of the Knight being freed-up with Na8......nice and simple, 21...Nc7 22. a4 0-0 23. Ne3 as mr Horrowitz likes, 23.....Rd8. And white has nothing to chew on! Thing was: why go out of the way to make a move that has only awkward drawbacks, and no good points? Surely this has to be seen as a strategic blunder. |
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| Jan-02-09 | | WhiteRook48: ...Rxd7??? black should'vs played 36...g6 |
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| Aug-06-09 | | Ulhumbrus: <WhiteRook48: ...Rxd7??? black should'vs played 36...g6> 36 Bd7 threatens Bc6 followed by Ra8 or b7 or both |
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| May-07-12 | | Ulhumbrus: <Blaise99a: ok, 22 Ne3 is a good move along with a4 follow-up, impeccable, but the real question is what the heck was Fine thinking with 21.... Nb6 ? Not only is this is the beginning of his difficulties, but what is its purpose? 21....Nc7 is completely natural, no threat of double pawns, no need to think of the Knight being freed-up with Na8......nice and simple, 21...Nc7 22. a4 0-0 23. Ne3 as mr Horrowitz likes, 23.....Rd8. And white has nothing to chew on! Thing was: why go out of the way to make a move that has only awkward drawbacks, and no good points? Surely this has to be seen as a strategic blunder.> On 21...Nc7 Black has played differently so perhaps White will also play differently by 22 b5-b6 |
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| Nov-17-17 | | morfishine: Black should be fined for playing this way
***** |
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