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Karel Treybal vs Alexander Alekhine
"The Trouble with Treybal" (game of the day Aug-01-2013)
Bad Pistyan (1922), Piestany CSR, rd 8, Apr-15
Spanish Game: Closed Variations. Morphy Attack (C78)  ·  0-1

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Aug-03-07  sanyas: I think White's position is perfectly alright after 23.♗f4.
Aug-01-13  joupajou: <Gypsy>, <Calli> Here's Rybka's analysis.


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Deep Rybka 4.1 w32 -6.49 (depth 20) 41.Qb3+ Kf6 42.Qf3+ Ke7 43.Qa3+ Ke8 44.Qa8+ Kf7 45.Qd5+ Ke7 46.Qe5+ Kd7 47.Qxg7+ Ke8 48.Qxg6+ Rf7 49.Qe6+ Kf8 50.Qd6+ Kg8 51.Qd8+ Kg7 52.Qd4+ Rf6 53.Kh3 Qh1+ 54.Kg3 Qf3+ 55.Kh2 Qf2+ 56.Qxf2 Rxf2+


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Hopeless for white.

Aug-01-13
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  offramp: Quite a good pun. I've been watching the remastered Star Trek. The Ay Hort looked superb.
Aug-01-13
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  Gypsy: Thx <joupajou>!

So -- to the extent we can believe enumerating powers of Rybka -- Alekhine indeed had a win in the <40.g6+(!) hxg6! 41.Qb3+...> variation; even though he claimed that to lead to a draw by perpetual.

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The second part of the question is still standing: Did AAA have a win in the variation he gave as winning -- <40.g6 Kxg6 41.Qxf8...> ?

Aug-01-13  Robespierre: "offramp" has indeed subtly indicated the source of this particular pun, namely, from the Star Trek episode, "The Trouble with Tribbles." I expect very few Chessgames.com frequenters under the age of 50 will recognize this obscure connection.
Aug-01-13  newzild: <Robespierre> I got the reference, and I'm a 44-year-old New Zealander.
Aug-01-13  himadri: what about the trouble with harry ?
Aug-01-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: The trouble with Treybal is that he's no darn good.

puuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Aug-01-13
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  kevin86: actually,he was-just not in this game.

puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrr

(the sound of a tribble).

Aug-01-13  Abdel Irada: <Can someone please run a silicone analysis on these two positions?>

You may want to direct this question to Pamela Anderson.

Aug-01-13  Robespierre: <newzild> You get full marks for your antiquarian (or, at least, 1960s) TV knowledge!
Aug-01-13  JureIvanusic: Why not simple 33.... dxc1Q ?
Aug-01-13  Abdel Irada: <Robespierre: "offramp" has indeed subtly indicated the source of this particular pun, namely, from the Star Trek episode, "The Trouble with Tribbles." I expect very few Chessgames.com frequenters under the age of 50 will recognize this obscure connection.>

One word: <Re-runs>. :-D

Aug-01-13
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  Benzol: Star Trek DS9 in season five had the episode "Trials And Tribble-ations" with footage from the original series episode. How old do you have to be to remember that?

:)

Aug-02-13
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  Benzol: Great to see Chief O'Brien lying to Captain Kirk about who started the bar brawl.

:)

Aug-02-13  Abdel Irada: <Benzol: Great to see Chief O'Brien lying to Captain Kirk about who started the bar brawl.

:)>

"But, Jim, did you hear what he *said*? He said the _Enterprise_ was a scow, and *then* he said he was wrong, and it should be hauled away *as* garbage.

"A mon can only take so much."

Aug-02-13  joupajou: <Gypsy> Not at all, my pleasure! Alekhine is one of my heroes, it's always a treat to dig deeper into his games.
Aug-02-13  Abdel Irada: It's astounding how much of that (pre-)brawl scene in "The Trouble With Tribbles" has stayed in my head since I watched it in about 1974/5.

The scene: A bar in a space station, where _Enterprise_ crew members are drinking alongside the crew of a Klingon vessel also docked at the station.

One of the Klingons (I believe it was their captain) starts insulting Captain Kirk, culminating with perhaps the most memorable line in the entire _Star Trek_ canon by calling him <a swaggering, tin-plated dictator with delusions of Godhood>.

(Actors who've worked with William Shatner break into guffaws at this point.)

Ensign Chekhov becomes irate and wants to fight the Klingon ("Did you hear what he called the Keptin?"), but the older and wiser Scotty counsels patience: "We cahn take a *few* insults, laddie."

Then the Klingon makes the "scow" crack about the _Enterprise_ itself (including Scotty's "puir bairns," the engines), and the outcome is predictable.

(Especially for those who've read my last post.) ;-)

Aug-25-16  Howard: Alekhine's notes were generally accurate, but not always. This game is a case in point.
Aug-26-16
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  MissScarlett: < generally..., but not always.>

That's what <generally> means.

Aug-29-16  Howard: Picky point, in my view--but have it your way.
Sep-29-16  Jimmy720: Defeating a flank attack with a counter attack in the center!
Dec-30-17  Senk:


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Now Qf3+ Kxh4 is a tablebase draw.

Dec-30-17  aliejin: There can be someone so stupid that pretends
that the analysis of the players of 100 years ago , or whatever, done alone have the standard of precision of the powerful computers and current software?
Dec-30-17  WorstPlayerEver: The Trouble with Three Balls
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