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Feb-05-12
 | | LIFE Master AJ: Just for the record, (I sarted to kibbitz, I remember typing, but maybe forgot to do the actual post. BTW, I seem to do this a lot.) I got the key move (22.BxP/d5!! un-masking the Rook on g1) here. However, I opted for the immediate 27.e6. (Instead of 27. f5) Not sure if this disqualifies me as finding the solution or not ... |
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Feb-05-12
| | LIFE Master AJ: This was featured in '04.
I think I missed it that time, but got it this time around ... prolly (once more) memory is as good as (or better than) calculation. |
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Feb-05-12
| | LIFE Master AJ: <<Feb-04-12 Jason Frost: Saw the line quickly, but gave up thinking white was just down a piece. Lot to look at after the queen comes off, could've been a Sunday.>> Astute judgement. |
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| Feb-05-12 | | Nemesistic: <ajax333221> I'm guessing White "tricked" Black into touching his king, then made him move it resulting in a 3 move loss.. I think if White had somehow "cunningly tricked" me into that same mistake, then he'd be playing the next round with some kind of physical injury that'd prevent him from even moving his pieces! Kind of funny from white's perspective, but baaaaaaaad sortsmanship. |
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Feb-17-12
 | | Penguincw: The rook and bishop sac comes with with a queen and bishop, and dangerous connect passed pawns. |
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Oct-12-15
 | | offramp: When Svetozar Gligoric 's book came out I thought it was the first in a series. I Play Against Pieces
II Play Against Pawns. |
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| Oct-12-15 | | RookFile: I think black should have castled around move 8 or 9 and retreated ...Be7 when white offered the bishop trade. |
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| Oct-12-15 | | morfishine: This game is conclusive proof that Bogoljubov was the greatest player that ever lived. Bogo confirms this |
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Oct-12-15
 | | kevin86: White will promote or mate quickly. |
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| Oct-12-15 | | The Kings Domain: Unstoppable assault by white. Once his attack got into motion, black didn't have a chance. |
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| Oct-14-15 | | DarthStapler: Hey, my pun got selected! |
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| Dec-08-17 | | nacional100: https://lichess.org/study/Lem3Yeo5
I have created a lichess study analysing this game. It's probably a flawed analysis, I'm just an intermediate player trying to learn. Feel free to comment/suggest/refute anything you find relevant. Thanks! |
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| Apr-15-23 | | Brenin: 22 Bxd5 and if exd5 then 23 Rxg7+ (not 23 Qf6 Qf3+ 24 Rg2 Qxg2+ 25 Kxg2 gxf6) Kxg7 24 Qf6+ Kg8 25 Rg1+ Qg4 26 Rxg4+ fxg4 27 f5, and White's avalanche of Ps should be enough to win. |
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| Apr-15-23 | | geeker: I saw the line with 22. Bxd5 exd5 23. Rxg7+ looked very good.
However, Black doesn't have to capture the Bishop: White is much better (maybe he can win another Pawn) but there's far less excitement. |
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| Apr-15-23 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: I imagined the line: 22. Rxd5 exd5 23. Bxd5+ Kh8 24. e6 Be8 25. Qb7 Qh6 26. Qe7 g6 27. Bxa8 Rxa8 28. Qb7 Rd8 29. Qc7 Ra8 30. e7 Qg7 31. Qb7 Bc6+ 32. Qxc6 Qg8 33. Rd1 Re8 34. Rd8. But, it isn't forced and maybe Black can find ways to survive. For example: 25... Qh6 26. Qe7 Bh5 27. Bxa8 Rxa8 28. Qb7 Re8 29. e7 and Black can resist easily. Other possibility: 26... g6 27. Bxa8 Rxa8 28. Qb7 Rd8 29. Qc7 Ra8 30. e7 Qg7 31. Qb7 Bc6+ 32. Qxc6 Qg8 33. Qf6+ Qg7 34. Qc6 Qg8 game tied? Or even: 29... Rd2 30. Qc8 Qf8 and White attack died. Therefore, this is not a winning move! It can't be played 22. Bxd5 exd5 23. Qf6? g6 24. e6?? Qf3+ and White lose. Or 23. e6 Be8 24. e7 Rd7 25. Qc6 Rb8 26. Qf6 Qf7 27. Rxg7+ Qxg7 28. Rg1 Qxg1+ 29. Kxg1 Bf7 30. Qxf5 Rdb7 31. Qg5+ Kh8 32. Qf6+ Kg8 33. f5 Rb6 34. Qg5+ Kh8 35. Qh4 Kg7 36. Qg5+ Kh8 37. Qh4 repeating moves for a tied game. I must be missing something, I don't know what. |
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| Apr-15-23 | | jrredfield: 22 Bxd5 was clearly the best choice for White and I saw it right away. However, I think Black hastened his demise with 22 ... exd5. 22 ... Rab8 would have kept Black alive a bit longer although he is clearly lost anyway. With 22 ... exd5 23 Rxg7+ Kxg7 24 Qf6+ Kg8 25 Rg1+ Qg4 26 Rxg4+, White is ready for the kill. |
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| Apr-15-23 | | Allderdice83: Black doesn't have to play 25 ... Qg4??, freeing up White's f pawn. What about 25...Qg6 26. Rxg6+ hxg6 27. Qxg6+ Kh8, and I don't see anything better for White than a draw by repetition. Or, White could try 28. e6, which leads to 28 ... Bc6 29. e7 Rdc8 30. Qxf5 d4+ 31. Kg1 dxc3 32. Qe5+ Kg8 33. Qxc3 Bb7 34. Qf6 Re8 35. Qg6+ Kh8 36. f5 Rxe7, and now if 37. f6?, then 37 ... Rg8 38. Qxg8+ Kxg8 39. fxe7 Kf7 and Black should win. 37. Qf6+ Rg7+ 38. Kf1 Kg8 39. Qe6+ Kf8 40. f6 Rh7, and I don't see how White can make progress here. The pawns aren't advanced enough. Or, instead of 26. Rxg8+, White could try 26. e6, but that leads to a similar line after 26 ... Qxg1+ 27. Kxg1 Bc6 28. e7 Rdc8 |
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| Apr-15-23 | | mel gibson: I saw that quickly but couldn't see how to
cash in the advantage.
Stockfish 15 doesn't take the Bishop it goes Ra8-b8 instead: 22. Bxd5
(22. Bxd5 (Bg2xd5 Ra8-b8 Bd5-g2 Qh5-f7 Rd1-d6 Rd8-c8 Qa6xa7 Bd7-e8 Qa7-a6 Rc8xc3 Rd6xe6 Qf7-c7 Re6-f6 Be8-f7
Rf6xf5 Rb8-b6 Qa6-a8+ Rb6-b8 Rf5xf7 Kg8xf7 Qa8-d5+ Kf7-f8 Qd5-e6 Qc7-e7
) +5.67/43 621)
score for White +5.67 depth 43.
But if SF is forced to follow the game line and the Bishop is taken: 22. Bxd5 exd5
23. Rxg7+ (23. Rxg7+ (Rg1xg7+ Kg8xg7 Qa6-f6+ Kg7-g8 Rd1-g1+ Qh5-g6 Rg1xg6+ h7xg6 Qf6xg6+ Kg8-f8 Qg6-h6+
Kf8-f7 Qh6-f6+ Kf7-g8 e5-e6 Bd7-c6 h2-h4 Rd8-c8 Qf6-g6+ Kg8-h8 Kh1-h2
Rc8-c7 Qg6xf5 Kh8-g8 Qf5-g5+ Rc7-g7 Qg5-e5 Rg7-h7 Kh2-h3
Ra8-e8 f4-f5
) +6.96/41 266)
score for White +6.96 depth 41. |
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| Apr-15-23 | | Refused: Meh, messed this up.
Sac on d5 was obvious, however here illusion ran into reality.I thought 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Qf6 was the way to go. I thought white was threatening mate with pawn on g7 being pinned. and in case of 23...Qf7 24.Bd5! is such a cute finishing touch. The problem with that, it's simply not working, because that stupid Bishop on g2 is standing in front of the rook, thus the g-pawn is obviously not pinned. Really frustrating... |
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Apr-15-23
 | | agb2002: A bit famous. |
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| Apr-15-23 | | Mayankk: I saw the first few moves almost immediately. Bxd5 was meant to clear the 6th rank for Queen while Rxg7 brought the Black King forward to enable the White Queen to use the path cleared just now. 22 Bxd5 exd5 23 Rxg7+ Kxg7 24 Qf6+ Kg8 (only move) 25 Rg1+ winning the Queen. Now White has its solitary Queen and a bunch of pawns against 2R + B. The Black King is exposed and the passed e-f pawn pair will likely settle matters. |
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Apr-15-23
 | | Honza Cervenka: This game and the combination are a bit too famous. Mieses' 21...Qh5? was a fatal mistake. |
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Apr-15-23
 | | chrisowen: I bat pad hog it's work quarrel Bxd5 acrid mad fad gain achtung match it's ho gaff abridge axled it's Bxd5 creed. |
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| Apr-15-23 | | Amarande: <Honza Cervenka: This game and the combination are a bit too famous. Mieses' 21...Qh5? was a fatal mistake.> Yeah, I recognized it right off because I saw the game. And yep, Qh5 is a lemon. Obviously, Black had to do something, because 22 Bxd5 is a threat (the g7 pawn becomes pinned between the White Rook and Black King after this, and thus also the e6 pawn - between the two Queens - so Black would lose a pawn right off - and then another, seeing the e-pawn and a8 rook are attacked). The logical looking moves are 21 ... g6 (battening down the hatches), 21 ... Qh4 (getting the Queen off the 6 line, but preventing Qf6+ so the game combination won't work) and 21 ... Kh8 (getting the King off the open file). Quick silicon indicates that after White's best reply (which, in all cases, is actually 22 a4, which Black can't capture without disadvantage because of the follow up thrust 23 c4, and therefore generally must lose the b-pawn), the first of these leads to a White advantage. The other two are playable and lead to a basically even game (the computer seems to be able to follow 21 ... Qh4 22 a4 all the way out to a draw, while White's advantage is only slight after 21 ... Kh8 22 a4). |
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| Apr-16-23 | | stone free or die: When BCM published this game in 1925, they finished with this: <One of the most brilliant games at Baden-Baden> |
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