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| Oct-06-09 | | tonsillolith: Here is what Rybka thinks the evaluation is after White plays Nd5: 1. = (0.17): 19...Bxd5 20.exd5 e5 21.b4 b6 22.g4 g6 23.Kf2 f6 24.h4 Rc8 25.Ba4 Rf7 26.Ke3 Nb8 27.h5 |
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| Nov-02-09 | | AnalyzeThis: Unless it's a forced win, it's really just a question of style. I think that Fischer figured the bishop would be better than the knight here and this guided his play. |
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Nov-02-09
 | | Check It Out: A terrific zugzwang position at the end. |
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Nov-02-09
 | | HeMateMe: you get the feeling that the game is over after the 20th move, when white has a majority on the Queenside. |
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| Nov-02-09 | | jovack: to HeMateMe:
no you really shouldn't get that feeling because the game is far from over at that point. |
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Nov-02-09
| | HeMateMe: <jovack:> But you don't understand. According to biographer Frank Brady Fischer would BECOME that passed pawn, he would will it to the 8th rank, as surely as he would continue to breath. That willpower seemed keenly on display here. |
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| Nov-02-09 | | FHBradley: "Rossetto stoned"; very nice, if, for someone, possibly slightly politically incorrect. |
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| Nov-02-09 | | tonsillolith: <FHBradley>, you forgot to put commas after the words "possibly" and "slightly". |
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| Nov-02-09 | | weisyschwarz: <kingscrusher: I have now video annotated this game: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y79f...;
Worth watching. |
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Nov-02-09
 | | kevin86: White will win as black is void of any productive moves. The win WILL be slow and painful-so black decided to relieve himself of the pain by dropping his flag. |
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| Nov-02-09 | | YouRang: Fascinating how Fischer's bishop on b3 has black completely bottled up. Neither the knight nor the king dare move. BTW, backsliding through this game with my computer, I noticed that Fischer played with practical perfection from move 17 forward. Obviously he was playing with illicit assistance from Rybka. |
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| Nov-02-09 | | Eyal: <The win WILL be slow and painful> It might actually be quick and painful, since Black has soon to drop at least a piece - if the king moves away from the knight, 38.Rb8! Rxc7 39.Rxf8; if the knight moves away from f8, then 38.Be6 wins immediately; if the rook moves along the back rank, same goes for 38.c8=Q+. 19.Nd5! is a very resourceful move - perhaps with best play by Black it shouldn't lead to a win, but it creates problems for him and leads to imbalances in the position that might be exploited. On the other hand, the computer line 19.Nxd7 Rxd7 20.Kf2 f6 21.Rd2 Kf7 22.b3 g6 23.Rcd1 Rfd8 24.a3 b6 25.b4 Ke7 26.Ke3, mentioned above as Rybka's top choice, doesn't seem to lead White anywhere, even if it's evaluated as giving him a small advantage. In MSMG, Fischer points to 23...f5 as the decisive mistake, recommending instead 23...a5 first (24.a3 f5; or 24.Bxd7 Rxd7 25.bxa5 bxa5 26.c5 dxc5 27.Rxc5 a4) - and making the important comment that Black shouldn't allow the c5 break without first forcing White to make the concession of exchanging the bishop for the knight. |
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Nov-02-09
 | | Once: An astonishing final position - nothing can move. Any pawn move just allows it to be gobbled up. Any knight move lets the Bb3 get to e6. Any sensible rook move is answered by the discovered check c8=Q+. If the king moves, white plays Rb8 and the rook is pinned against the now unprotected knight. What's left? Resignation. Genius. |
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| Nov-02-09 | | WhiteRook48: great zugzwang |
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| Nov-02-09 | | chillowack: <FHBradley: "Rossetto stoned"; very nice, if, for someone, possibly slightly politically incorrect.>
Not as I understand it. The reference is to the famous "Rosetta Stone," an ancient stone tablet; and the word "stoned" refers, not to the smoking of marijuana, but rather to the process of being killed with rocks. I could be wrong though: maybe the punster did mean smoking pot. |
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| Nov-02-09 | | RandomVisitor: 3 minutes per move:
Robert James Fischer - Hector Decio Rossetto
[B41]
Mar del Plata - (12), 05.04.1959
[Rybka 3 ]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 a6 5.c4 Qc7 6.Nc3 Nf6 7.Bd3 Nc6 last book move 8.Be3 -0.13/17 Nxd4  0.39/19
[Rybka 3 : 8...Ne5 9.f3 Bb4 10.Rc1 0-0 11.0-0 Bc5 12.Be2 d6 13.a3 Ba7 14.Nc2 Bxe3+ 15.Nxe3 Qb6 16.Qd2= -0.13/17 ] 9.Bxd4 0.39/20 Bc5 0.48/20
10.Bc2= 0.09/18
[Rybka 3 : 10.Be2 d6 11.Bxf6 gxf6 12.b4 Ba7 13.0-0 b5 14.Qb3 bxc4 15.Bxc4 Ke7 16.Rac1 Qb6 17.b5 Rb8 18.Qd1 Rg8 19.g3 axb5 20.Nxb5 Bd7 0.48/20 ] 10...d6= 0.23/18
[Rybka 3 : 10...e5 11.Bxc5 Qxc5 12.Qd3 0-0 13.Na4 Qb4+ 14.Qc3 Qxc3+ 15.Nxc3 d6 16.0-0-0 Be6 17.Rxd6 Bxc4 18.f3 Rfd8 19.Rhd1 Rxd6 20.Rxd6 Kf8 21.Kd2 Rb8 22.b3= 0.09/18 ] 11.0-0= -0.01/20
[Rybka 3 : 11.Bxc5 Qxc5 12.Qd2 b5 13.0-0 0-0 14.Rfd1 Rd8 15.cxb5 axb5 16.Qd4 Ba6 17.Qxc5 dxc5 18.e5 Nd7 19.Ne4 b4 20.f4 Bb7 21.Nd6 Bd5= 0.23/18 ] 11...Bd7 0.31/17
[Rybka 3 : 11...Bxd4 12.Qxd4 e5 13.Qd2 0-0 14.Rac1 Be6 15.Rfd1 Bxc4 16.Qxd6 Qxd6 17.Rxd6 Rac8 18.f3 Rfd8 19.Rxd8 -0.01/20 ] 12.Na4= -0.15/21
[Rybka 3 : 12.Re1 h6 13.Rc1 Rc8 14.Nd5 Nxd5 15.exd5 Bxd4 16.Qxd4 e5 17.Qe3 Qc5 18.Qxc5 Rxc5 19.Bd3 Ra5 20.f4 f6 21.a3 0-0 0.31/17 ] 12...Bxd4 -0.15/21
13.Qxd4 -0.26/20 Rd8= 0.18/20
[Rybka 3 : 13...e5 14.Qe3 Qxc4 15.Nb6 Qxc2 16.Nxa8 Qxe4 17.Qd2 0-0 18.Nb6 Bb5 19.Rfe1 Qf5 20.Rad1 Bc6 21.Qd3 Qf4 22.Qg3 Qb4 23.Qb3 Qg4 24.f3 Qh5 25.Qd3 Rd8 26.Nc4 e4 27.fxe4 Nxe4 28.Rc1 Qc5+  -0.26/20 ] 14.Rfd1= 0.07/19
[Rybka 3 : 14.Nb6 e5 15.Qe3 Bc6 16.Rac1 Ng4 17.Qb3 Nf6 18.Nd5 Bxd5 19.exd5 0-0 20.Rfe1 g6 21.Qe3= 0.18/20 ] 14...0-0= 0.23/21
[Rybka 3 : 14...Bxa4 15.Bxa4+ Ke7 16.b4 Ra8 17.Rac1 Rhd8 18.Qe3 Kf8 19.h3 a5 20.c5 d5 21.b5 Nxe4 22.b6 Qe7 23.c6 bxc6 24.Rxc6 Rac8 25.Rdc1 Rxc6 26.Rxc6 Qb4= 0.07/19 ] 15.Rac1= -0.13/20
[Rybka 3 : 15.Nc3 Bc8 16.Bd3 e5 17.Qe3 Bg4 18.f3 Be6 19.Rac1 Rc8 20.Rc2 h6 21.Rcd2 Rfd8 22.Bf1 Qc6 23.c5 Qxc5= 0.23/21 ] |
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| Nov-02-09 | | RandomVisitor: continued:
15...Qa5= 0.22/20
[Rybka 3 : 15...Bxa4 16.Bxa4 Qa5 17.Bb3 h6 18.Rc2 Rc8 19.Re2 Rfd8 20.Red2 Rc5 21.a3 Qc7 22.Ba2 Rh5 23.h3 Rg5 24.b4= -0.13/20 ] 16.Qb6= 0.00/19
[Rybka 3 : 16.Nc3 e5 17.Qd2 Be6 18.Bd3 Qb6 19.h3 Rfe8 20.Be2 Rc8 21.b3 Rcd8 22.Bf3 h6 23.Qb2 Kh8 24.Qc2= 0.22/20 ] 16...Qxb6 0.39/23
[Rybka 3 : 16...Qg5 17.Qxb7 Rb8 18.Qxa6 Ra8 19.Qxd6 Bxa4 20.b3 Be8 (20...Rfd8 21.Qxd8+ Rxd8 22.Rxd8+ Be8 23.Rcd1) 21.a4 e5 22.Qd2 Qg6 23.Qd6 Qg5 24.Qd2 Qg6 25.Qd6 Qg5 26.Qd2 Qg6 27.Qd6 Qg5 28.Qd2 Qg6 29.Qd6 Qg5 30.Qd2 Qg6 31.Qd6 Qg5= 0.00/19 ] 17.Nxb6 0.39/23 Bc6 0.39/23
18.f3 0.19/22 Nd7 0.39/21
19.Nd5= 0.12/24
[Rybka 3 : 19.Nxd7 Rxd7 20.Rd2 f6 21.Rcd1 Rfd8 22.Kf2 Kf7 23.Ke3 b6 24.Bd3 Rc7 25.b3 Ke7 26.a4 Bb7 27.Bb1 Rc5 28.g3 a5 0.39/21 ] 19...Bxd5 0.12/24
20.exd5 0.12/24 e5 0.12/22
21.b4 0.10/21 g6= 0.21/23
[Rybka 3 : 21...b6 22.Ba4 f5 23.Rd3 a5 24.Bxd7 Rxd7 25.bxa5 bxa5 26.c5 dxc5 27.Rxc5 a4 28.Re3 Re8 29.Kf2 Kf7 30.g4 Kf6 31.Re1 fxg4 32.fxg4 Red8 33.Rd1 Ke7 34.Kg3 Rf8= 0.10/21 ] 22.Ba4 0.21/21 b6 0.34/22
[Rybka 3 : 22...a5 23.a3 Nf6 24.Bb5 axb4 25.axb4 Kg7 26.Rc2 Ra8 27.c5 Rfc8 28.c6 Rc7 29.Kf2 Ra3 30.Be2 Kf8 31.b5 b6 32.Bc4 Ke7 33.Re1 Kd8 34.g4= 0.21/21 ] 23.Rd3 0.34/21 f5 0.51/22
[Rybka 3 : 23...a5 24.c5 dxc5 25.bxa5 bxa5 26.Bc6 f5 27.Ra3 e4 28.Bxd7 Rxd7 29.Rxc5 Rb7 30.Rcxa5 Rb2 31.Ra8 exf3 32.gxf3 Rd2 33.Rxf8+ Kxf8 34.Ra7 Rxd5 35.a4 f4 36.a5 Ke8 37.a6 Ra5 38.Kg2 h5 0.34/21 ] 24.Ra3 0.39/20 Nb8  1.18/24
[Rybka 3 : 24...a5 25.bxa5 Nc5 26.Bc6 bxa5 27.Rxa5 Rf7 28.Rc3 e4 29.Rca3 Kg7 30.Ra7 0.39/20 ] 25.c5 1.10/23 bxc5 1.10/24
26.bxc5 1.10/23 dxc5 1.09/23
27.Rxc5 0.89/21 Kg7  1.44/22
[Rybka 3 : 27...Rd6 28.Re3 Rfd8 29.Rc7 Nd7 0.89/21 ] 28.Rb3 1.24/20 Rf7 2.27/21
[Rybka 3 : 28...Rc8 29.Rxc8 Rxc8 30.Rb7+ Kh6 1.24/20 ] 29.d6 1.91/19 Nd7 3.37/24
[Rybka 3 : 29...Kf6 30.Rc7 h5 31.h4 1.91/19 ]
30.Rc7 3.37/21 Nf8 3.37/27
31.Rbb7 3.37/27 Rxc7 3.37/26
32.dxc7 3.38/26 Rc8 3.38/25
33.Bb3 3.38/23 a5 3.38/23
34.a4 3.31/22 h6 3.93/21
35.h3 3.25/21 g5? 4.77/24
[Rybka 3 : 35...h5 36.h4 e4 37.fxe4 3.25/21 ]
36.g4 4.17/24 fxg4 4.97/24
37.hxg4 4.17/24 1-0 |
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| Nov-02-09 | | RandomVisitor: Check out the position after 16...Qg5!? 17.Qxb7 Rb8 18.Qxa6 Ra8 19.Qxd6 Bxa4 20.b3 where black sacs 3 pawns for a piece: after 20.b3:
1: Robert James Fischer - Hector Decio Rossetto, Mar del Plata 1959
click for larger viewAnalysis by Rybka 3 : <23-ply> 1. = (-0.20): 20...Rfd8 21.Qxd8+ Rxd8 22.Rxd8+ Be8 23.Rcd1 g6 24.R8d2 Qc5 25.Re2 Bc6 26.e5 Nd7 27.Rde1 Kg7 28.h3 Qd4 29.Bb1 h5 30.Re3 Qd2 31.R1e2 2. = (0.04): 20...Be8 21.a4 e5 22.Qd2 Qg6 23.Qc3 Nxe4 24.Qxe5 f5 25.c5 Bc6 26.Bxe4 Bxe4 27.Qg3 Qxg3 28.hxg3 Rfc8 29.f3 Bc6 30.Rd6 Ra5 31.Kf2 Kf7 |
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| Jul-25-10 | | tentsewang: The shocker and the ultimate Zugzwang would definitely bring down any opponent. Great game!! |
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| Jul-17-11 | | notyetagm: Game Collection: RELOAD! Fischer vs H Rossetto, 1959 19 Nb6-d5! intends .. e6xNd5 e4xd5 harvesting trapped c6-bishop |
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| Aug-29-12 | | TheFocus: This is game 5 in Fischer's <My 60 Memorable Games>. |
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Nov-13-15
 | | maxi: Yeah, <TheFocus>! I am going to go over Bobby's notes. |
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Jan-12-16
| | maxi: In My 60 Memorable Games Fischer makes the comment to move 21.b4: “Playing for the big breakthrough on c5”. Objectively speaking Fischer does not have an advantage. So, what does he mean? In a position such as this the advantage of having Bishop against Knight is minimal. It is possible for White to get a passed Pawn on the Queenside and that certainly is a threat to keep in mind, but Black has another breakthrough available to him by playing f5 and e4, so he can still hold his own. But a chess player knows that, in a position such as this one, the White Bishop can be very powerful in either a4 or b3. Also, any slip from Black and the White Rooks penetrate the Queenside causing havoc. So Fischer knew there existed practical chances. The game went on 21. b4 g6 22. Ba4 b6. It would be better here to activate the Black knight with 22…Nf6. The problem with 22…b6 is that it weakens the Black a6 Pawn. Fischer played right away 23.Rd3 to take advantage of this mistake. But the position is still far from lost. Now Black plays 23...f5, with the idea of carrying through his breakthrough at e4, but it was essential to eliminate his weak a-Pawn, as Fischer writes, with 23…a5. Fischer now plays 24.Ra3 threatening to win the a-Pawn, and Black answers 24…Nb8. This is the move that loses the game; at least to save it from now on seems very difficult to me. The Black Knight is trapped on b8 and Zugswang begins to rear its ugly head. Black still could play 24…a5 instead. Fischer gives the line 25.bxa bxa 26.Bf6 Nc5 27.Rxa5 and adds that “White should win.” I went over this position with Houdini and Black has drawing resources. The Black Knight is in a very active post and now Black’s dreamed-of breakthrough …e4 can actually be played. It is still a fight. |
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| Apr-25-22 | | Sally Simpson: Game 5 in Fischer's 60 and we are in the middle of his Argentinian Triangle. (G4 was v Pilnik, this game and G6 is v Shocron, though for some reason the rounds are out of order.) The best game so far IMO and a taste of things to come. Weaving that Zugzwang is just a class act. I can sac, sac mate like he did v Larsen (we all can) but when ever I try something like this it either goes tits up or I just never thought of it. (I have trouble spelling Zugzwang never mind playing for one.) I would have tried to bust this in my younger days, trying everything to get out of the grip Fischer has on the game. I know I did because I tried again this evening even though I know it's sound and all wrapped up. I was like that I never trusted anything I saw till I made up my mind they were right. These days people run it through a computer and think they have learned something. You must get your hands dirty and trust no one...if you rely on a computers to do your thinking for you what happens when you have to play without one? Also note that after 7.Bd3 we get a plug for an Evans book. (would Bobby do that?)
More fuel for the debate that Bobby did not do all the spadework just supplying the analysis with Evans taking notes and Fischer supplying the odd anecdote. (who cares the games are brilliant, instructive and if Evans or indeed Lombardy tarted up the notes to give the book that extra oomph then good for them.) |
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Apr-26-22
| | HeMateMe: <I could be wrong though: maybe the punster did mean smoking pot.> I just wanted to make a harmless reference to a famous object. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roset...> I also tried <Crossing the Rubicon> on another game, here at Pun City USA [CG.com] but it was either never used or some other varlet used it in a pun. |
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