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Robert James Fischer vs Petar Trifunovic
Bled (1961), Bled YUG, rd 12, Sep-20
Spanish Game: Open Variations (C80)  ·  1-0

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Feb-03-09  hedgeh0g: It's not often you see Black take the e-pawn in the Ruy with the intention of keeping it. Apparently it's somewhat playable for Black with correct play.
Jul-23-10  elohah: Oh, I almost forgot - that Bobby didn't mention that after 8 Nxd4 Ne7! 9 Re1 Nf6?, that 10 Nc6!! wins.

Which is why he gave 9...d5 as the move in his note in 60MG.

Aug-29-12
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  TheFocus: This is game 33 in Fischer's <My 60 Memorable Games>.
Sep-15-14  RubinSteinitz: On move 17, Fischer stated in his 60MG, that he had a trap staring him in the face. But there was a sting at the end of the combination so he chose 17. Be3 instead. Can you find the trap and black's refutation?

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Sep-15-14  Travis Bickle: The Maestro of The Ruy puts on a clinic!
Sep-15-14  RubinSteinitz: <Travis Bickle: The Maestro of The Ruy puts on a clinic.> Howdy Travis!

LOL Hardly a master of the Ruy, more a lover of the old moves. :) And Fischer's too. This is one of his masterpieces.

Sep-15-14  MarkFinan: <RubinSteinitz: On move 17, Fischer stated in his 60MG, that he had a trap staring him in the face. But there was a sting at the end of the combination so he chose 17. Be3 instead. Can you find the trap and black's refutation? White to move, find trap and black's refutation:>

I can't see it. Let me know before I cheat with an engine because for the life of me I don't see it! And I've been going through a lot of Fischer's early games and I'm starting to prefer them so some of Kasparov's now. And Kasparov is my favourite ever chess player. Wish Fischer had have carried on because they would have met, although Fischer would have been in his mid to late 30's whilst Kasparov early 20's. Definitely the two greatest ever Imo.

Sep-15-14  ughaibu: It looks as if white can win a pawn with 17. Bg5 Rf7, 18. Be7 Re7, 19. Rae1 Kf7, 20. Qf3 etc. But I don't see what's wrong with this. . . .
Sep-15-14  MarkFinan: <ughaibu: It looks as if white can win a pawn with 17. Bg5 Rf7, 18. Be7 Re7, 19. Rae1 Kf7, 20. Qf3 etc. But I don't see what's wrong with this. . .>

I'm guessing you meant 17.Bg5 Rg7 ?

But I don't see the trap. That's not a trap to a player like Fischer!

Sep-15-14  ughaibu: You mean 17...Rg6 instead of Rf7? White can play h4 and if h6, then Qh5. In any case, in my line black will win the pawn back, but it still doesn't look like a trap.

Aha! Maybe 17. Bg5 Rg6, 18. h4 h6, 19. Qh5 Qe8, 20. Be7 Rg2. . .

Sep-15-14  RubinSteinitz: Fischer stated that he noticed Trifunovic get real quiet after his 16. Rf6. So Fischer figured that his opponent was on to his brain waves regarding the moves 17. Bg5 Rg6. Can you take it from there? The trap is only a few more moves deep.
Sep-15-14  MarkFinan: <ughaibu: You mean 17...Rg6 instead of Rf7? White can play h4 and if h6, then Qh5. In any case, in my line black will win the pawn back, but it still doesn't look like a trap. Aha! Maybe 17. Bg5 Rg6, 18. h4 h6, 19. Qh5 Qe8, 20. Be7 Rg2. .>

Yes. Sorry I meant.. Rg6. But in your line up until 20.Be7 (I'm guessing you meant Bxe7?) then black has Rxg2+ picking up whites queen.. But I think you're right, this must be the trap Fischer meant, but even so would you have played 17.Bg5? anyway? Looks too risky as opposed to a trap.


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Sep-15-14  RubinSteinitz: < ughaibu: You mean 17...Rg6 instead of Rf7? White can play h4 and if h6, then Qh5. > Yes! The 19. ...Qe8 is the sting! If Fischer tried to win the bishop, Rxg2+ wins the queen with 20. .....Qxh5!

Sep-15-14  RubinSteinitz: <Mark>, you are right in my opinion and Fischer must have agreed with us that 17. Bg5 was too risky in any case and played the safer 17. Be3.

Sep-15-14  RubinSteinitz: Super job guys!! :)
Sep-15-14  MarkFinan: <RubinSteinitz: <Mark>, you are right in my opinion and Fischer must have agreed with us that 17. Bg5 was too risky in any case and played the safer 17. Be3.>

Thanks RB.. I don't think it was a trap ,more Fischer pointing something out to us patzers, because he would have never fallen for that. Yeah Be3 looks the best move and I don't think many people would have contemplated Bg5? ✌

Sep-15-14  RubinSteinitz: <Mark>, Fischer was beginning to show signs of a disturbed mind at around the time he played Spassky. He was battling inner demons much like Rubinstein and Steinitz did although not as bad.

Rubinstein would get away from the table as a courtesy to his opponent but then would go squat in the corner of the room and talk to himself. Then there was the bout with the fly (Fischer's flies were a different story.) But Rubinstein began to constantly complain about a fly buzzing around his head and people got suspicious of him. He went into decline at that point and soon started making elementary mistakes in his games and eventually ended up in an asylum.

Fischer was not as bad as Rubinstein or Steinitz in regards to mental stability but I think by the time he won the world championship, he really was sick of playing the Soviets. It is too bad Fischer did not play Karpov or even Kasparov although Fischer, like you stated, would be getting up in age. A great tragedy in the world of chess.

Sep-15-14  RubinSteinitz: <Mark>,
Keres pointed out that 17. Bf4 was better but that is unclear at least to my knowledge. And I agree with you that Fischer and Kasparov are two of the greatest chess minds ever to play the game. Everyone has there opinion though.

And too bad Fischer chose Yugoslavia in '92 and started his absurdly bazaar story about how the K-K matches were rigged. A sure sign that Fischer's mind wasn't right. It led him to angry retorts against his country for their reprimand against him. Clearly, anyone who would cheer on the destruction of 3000 people is not right in the head.

Sep-15-14  MarkFinan: Some really good stories that I'd never heard of, and some really good points that I'd never considered before there, RS.. You know your stuff! You should keep a check on your forum mate, we can talk about all this kinda stuff there, because people don't like talking on game pages unless it's about the game itself around here. I never knew that stuff about Rubinstein, I never realized he was crazy. Keep an eye on your forum and we'll talk more about this, and glad to see you're spending more time here buddy. ✌
Sep-15-14  RubinSteinitz: You bet <Mark>. Will do that. I agree that threads should be "Threaded clean" :) Later to you and thanks!

Sep-16-14  Travis Bickle: <RubinSteinitz> Howdy Rubin! I'm no master either but love to play this opening as white... ; P
Sep-17-14  RubinSteinitz: <Travis Bickle: <RubinSteinitz> Howdy Rubin! I'm no master either but love to play this opening as white... ; P>

Yes it is a good opening and one of the oldest for sure. :) Myself, as black against e4, I like the excitement of the Sicilian.

I say, "I've never met a Sicilian I didn't like." I've been experimenting with the Kan variation lately. I like the bishop set up as a sniper in the a7 foxhole. :)

Have a good one my friend!

Dec-09-18  SpiritedReposte: When it comes to rook endings, fischer, karpov and korchnoi are the elite.
Dec-09-18
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  HeMateMe: why does black play an opening that gives him a weak, isolated e pawn?
Dec-10-18  RookFile: I think he hoped to murk it up and set traps against Fischer.
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