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Jan-31-18
 | | ajk68: I let the CG Stockfish engine chew on 38...? Its recommendation is surprising! Kf6. In second place is Fischer's choice of Rd4. Re1 doesn't make the top three. 1) -1.67 (37 ply) 38...Kf6 39.Bc2 Rd4 40.Kg3 Rd2 41.f4 a5 42.h4 Ke6 43.Re3+ Kd6 44.Bb1 Rd1 45.Bc2 Rg1+ 46.Kf3 Ra1 47.a3 Rf1+ 48.Kg4 Ne6 49.Rd3+ Kc6 50.Rc3+ Kd7 51.Rd3+ Ke7 52.Bb3 h5+ 53.Kg3 Nc5 54.Re3+ Kf6 55.Bd5 Rg1+ 56.Bg2 Rd1 57.Kf3 Rd4 58.Bh3 b5 59.Bf1 b4 60.axb4 axb4 61.Re5 2) -1.62 (37 ply) 38...Rd4 39.Bc2 Kf6 40.Kg3 Rd2 41.f4 Ke6 42.Re3+ Kf7 43.Rc3 Kf6 44.h4 Re2 45.Kg4 h5+ 46.Kg3 Re1 47.Rf3 Rg1+ 48.Kh2 Rg4 49.Rg3 Rxg3 50.Kxg3 b5 51.Kf2 Ne6 52.Bd3 b4 53.Ke3 a5 54.Bc2 Ng7 55.Kd4 Nf5+ 56.Bxf5 Kxf5 57.Kc4 Kg4 58.Kb5 Kxh4 59.Kxa5 Kg3 60.Kxb4 3) -1.49 (36 ply) 38...Rb4 39.Bf3 Kf6 40.Bc6 Rb2 41.a3 Rb3 42.Re3 Rxe3 43.fxe3 Ke5 44.a4 a6 45.Kf2 Kd6 46.Be8 Kd5 47.Kf3 Ke5 48.h4 Ne4 49.Bc6 Nd6 50.Kg4 Nf5 51.h5 Nxe3+ 52.Kg5 gxh5 53.Kxh5 a5 54.Kh6 Kd4 55.Kxh7 Kc5 56.Bb5 Nf5 57.Kg6 Nd6 |
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Jan-31-18
| | ajk68: After Rd4, the CG Stockfish recommends:
1) -1.69 (38 ply) 39.Bf3 h5 40.Re3 Kf6 41.Be2 h4 42.a3 g5 43.Kf3 Rd2 44.Re8 Ra2 45.Re3 Rc2 46.Kg2 Ne6 47.Bg4 Nf4+ 48.Kf3 Rc4 49.Bd7 Rc1 50.Bg4 Rc2 51.Rb3 Nd5 52.Rd3 Ke5 53.Bh5 Rc1 54.Bg4 Rc4 55.Rb3 Kd6 56.Ke2 Rc2+ 57.Kf3 Kc5 58.Bf5 Ra2 59.Bg4 Kc4 60.Be6 Kxb3 2) -1.74 (38 ply) 39.Bc2 Kf6 40.a3 a5 41.Bb3 Rf4 42.f3 Ke5 43.Bg8 h5 44.Rc2 h4 45.Rb2 Rf8 46.Bc4 Kd4 47.Rc2 g5 48.Bb5 Ne6 49.Bf1 Nf4+ 50.Kf2 Rf5 51.a4 Rc5 52.Rd2+ Kc3 53.Rd6 Kb4 54.Rxb6+ Kxa4 55.Ke3 Ka3 56.Ke4 a4 57.Rb8 Rc3 58.Rb5 Ne6 59.Ke5 3) -1.94 (37 ply) 39.Rc1 h5 40.Be2 Rd2 41.Bc4 Ne4 42.Rf1 Kf6 43.a4 Nc5 44.Ra1 Rd4 45.Bb5 a6 46.Bc6 a5 47.Rb1 Rb4 48.Rd1 Nxa4 49.Bxa4 Rxa4 50.Rd6+ Kf5 51.Rxb6 Ra1 52.Kf3 a4 53.Rb5+ Ke6 54.Rb6+ Kd5 55.Rxg6 a3 56.Ra6 Kc4 57.Ke2 a2 58.Ra8 Kb3 59.Rb8+ Ka3 60.Ra8+ Kb2 61.Rb8+ Kc3 62.Ra8 |
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Jan-31-18
| | ajk68: Stockfish evaluates 38...Re1 as:
1) -1.44 (37 ply) 39.Bf3 Rb1 40.Bc6 Rd1 41.Re3 Rd6 42.Bb5 a6 43.Be2 Kf6 44.Bc4 Rd2 45.Rf3+ Kg5 46.Rg3+ Kh5 47.Bg8 Kh6 48.Rf3 Kg7 49.Bc4 Rd4 50.Bb3 Kh6 51.Re3 a5 52.Bf7 Kg5 53.Rg3+ Kf6 54.Rf3+ Ke5 55.Re3+ Kd6 56.Bg8 h6 57.Rf3 Ke5 58.Rf8 Nd3 59.Kf3 b5 60.Re8+ Kf5 |
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| Feb-26-18 | | pdxjjb: After Fischer's mistake and the exchange on move 42, SF9 thinks 43 Rc7 is the only strong move for Botvinnik, and 43 Ra3 was a serious mistake. At significant depth (39+ ply on branches and much deeper on some), SF rates Rc7 as -0.4 (small advantage for Fischer) and Ra3 as -2.0, and as the analysis depth increases, it likes Rc7 less and less. SF says the game might have continued e.g. 43. Ra3 a5 44. Rd3 Rb4 45. h4+ Kf5 46. Rf3+ Ke6 47. Re3+ Kd6 48. Rd3+ Ke5 49. a3 Rb2 50. Rd7 Rb3+ 51. Kg4 Rxa3 52. Rb7 Rb3 53. Rxh7 ... |
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| Feb-27-18 | | pdxjjb: ^^^ OK, I see the computer annotated score has this variation. |
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| Feb-27-18 | | Charlie Durman: <RookFile> is on the money . I find myself agreeing with most of his posts.
Fischer , the teenage Fischer, was surpassing the ageing tired Botvinnik by this game .. Botvinnik being propped up by Geller and the rest of the Soviet School of Chess. lol |
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Feb-27-18
 | | keypusher: < Charlie Durman: <RookFile> is on the money .
I find myself agreeing with most of his posts.
Fischer , the teenage Fischer, was surpassing the ageing tired Botvinnik by this game .. Botvinnik being propped up by Geller and the rest of the Soviet School of Chess. lol> No matter what you call yourself, you'll always be Harry Lime, International Spammaster. |
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| Jan-29-20 | | Petrosianic: Bizarro Comment of the Day, in an article about this game: <Fischer and Botvinnik have pretty much slipped into obscurity as the chess world moves on and the chess understanding of today's top players has surpassed theirs, but at Varna in 1962, one of the most looked forward to games was the World Champion Botvinnik against the hopeful Fischer.> http://tartajubow.blogspot.com/2016... Anyone who thinks that non-recent World Champions have slipped into obscurity must not be very much into chess. |
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Jan-29-20
 | | Sally Simpson: ***
I agree Petrosianic it is rather odd, especially with Fischer and the fact an english translation of the 2015 book: 'Bobby Fischer, The Final Years' was recently published. C.N. 11654
Edward Winter adds:
"Among the many dozens of volumes about Fischer, Sverrisson’s exceptionally informative and gripping work stands out, and for as long as interest in Fischer endures, it will be avidly read and quoted." But the linked lad is just a casual chess blogger and therefore totally sane, not chess daft like you, me and a load of others here. He missed out the best bit when these two met. 'The Three Words' it is bloggers gold dust. "Botvinnik told me: "Fischer has only spoken three words to me in his life. When we were introduced, he pointed to himself and said 'Fischer'. When we sat down to play here, we bumped heads and he said 'Sorry'. At the end of the game, he said 'Draw'." https://www.theguardian.com/obituar... *** |
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Jan-30-20
 | | perfidious: <Petrosianic>, that bit of strangeness coming, moreover, from a blogger who styles himself with the portmanteau 'Tartajubow'. |
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| Jan-30-20 | | Petrosianic: <perfidious>: I wonder if he imagines that nobody could imagine where that name comes from? If world champions are obscure, even older players who were never champion must be even more so. In fact, I'll bet that most posters here would have no trouble deciphering that name. |
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Jan-30-20
 | | offramp: <Petrosianic: <perfidious>: I wonder if he imagines that nobody could imagine where that name comes from? If world champions are obscure, even older players who were never champion must be even more so. In fact, I'll bet that most posters here would have no trouble deciphering that name.> It is a cross between <Petrosian> and <Ossianic> (Scots-Gaelic). |
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| Jan-30-20 | | Petrosianic: <offramp> <It is a cross between <Petrosian> and <Ossianic> (Scots-Gaelic).> Not mine, we're talking about the name "Tartajubow". I'll bet that wouldn't vex you for a second. Mine is actually based on annotators who frequently use the phrase "Petrosianic maneuvering" in describing a long protracted series of maneuvers. So, in that context "Petrosianic" means "Like Petrosian". Your interpretation might be better than mine, though. Since the family does come from Scotland, I probably should have thought of that myself. |
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Jan-30-20
| | Sally Simpson: ***
Actually my post is a bit irrelevant because I've just noticed the lad posted this on Boxing Day 2016! Sorry, I thought this was a recent observation by Petrosianic. (who is to blame for this uncharacteristic error by me.) Perhaps back in 2016 Fischer and Botvinnik had slipped into obscurity and are only now making a comeback. |
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| Dec-07-20 | | Justin796: Isn't there a cool photo out there of Fischer and Botvinnik at the conclusion of this game showing Fischer's frustration and Botvinnik's delight lol. |
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| Dec-07-20 | | Joshka: <Justin796> There is a 25 second clip on you tube somewhere...just type in their names and it should pull up. It's a very raw, no audio clip, mostly of the smiling Botvinnik who was happy with the draw;-) |
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| Jan-23-21 | | Ancalagon: Curious about modern engine evaluation of Fischer's proposed 51...Kd4, after Rxg8 Stockfish 12 (Depth 47/99) evaluates the position as completely drawn: 1) 0.0 52... Rh1 53. Rg4+ Kc5 54. Kg2 Re1 55. Rg5+ Kc4 56. Rg4+ Kb3 57. Rg3+ Ka4 58. Rg4+ 2) 0.0 52... b5 53. h5 b4 54. h6 Rh1 55. Kg2 Rh5 56. Ra6 b3 57. Rxa7 Rxh6 58. Rb7 3) 0.0 52... Re1 53. h5 b5 54. h6 a5 55. Rg4+ Kc3 56. Rg5 b4 57. Rxa5 Rh1 58. Ra6 |
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| May-03-21 | | gary11201: Some may find that the game is not very interesting, but the account of it in My 60 Memorable Games is fascinating because it includes both Botvinnik and Fischer's annotations. |
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| Jan-25-23 | | Honest Adin Reviews: fischer was to play botvinnik for wcc in 1960?
since rf didnt beat reshevsky in a match, he would not beat steady botvinik! |
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| Jan-26-23 | | Honest Adin Reviews: circa 1960@!@ |
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| Jan-26-23 | | Honest Adin Reviews: some site says fischer missed a win? |
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| Jan-26-23 | | Honest Adin Reviews: botvinik said karpov has no future! |
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| Jan-26-23 | | Honest Adin Reviews: ?botvinik said: karpov has no future in chess and how come spanish lingo has upside down question mark? |
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| Feb-17-23 | | Temi: 43. .....a5 is the winning move for Bobby instead of the the text move 43. .....Re7 as per Stockfish evaluation" |
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| Mar-06-23 | | Ninas Husband: This was the best Botvinnik-Fischer game EVER! :) |
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