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Robert Eugene Byrne vs Robert James Fischer
"The Brilliancy Prize" (game of the day Mar-09-2017)
US Championship (1963/64), New York, NY USA, rd 3, Dec-18
King's Indian Defense: Fianchetto Variation. Immediate Fianchetto (E60)  ·  0-1

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Feb-09-18  Artemio: It's a Gruenfeld similar to his game with the other Byrne (Donald)...
Apr-13-18  Justin796: There's a Herbert James Fischer in the 1700s who supposedly won every game with the black pieces, and never won with the White pieces except on Wednesday, 1776!
May-26-18
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  offramp: Has anyone ever seen this game annotated anywhere without the final quip about the grandmasters in the other room?
May-26-18
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  Retireborn: <offramp> I don't think I even know who these two(?) grandmasters were, although I have seen Rossolimo named as one.
May-26-18
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  offramp: <This dazzling move came as the shocker... the culminating combination is of such depth that, even at the very moment at which I resigned, both grandmasters who were commenting on the play for the spectators in a separate room believed I had a won game! -- Robert Byrne>

The commentators were not Fischer or Robert Byrne. I suppose it was Reshevsky and Kashdan... what other US grandmasters were there?

And how many spectators were there? December 18th, 1963 in New York's deep midwinter - who would come along to see a chess game?

I would imagine a dozen or so spectators and two chess masters, and the masters are being paid five nickels an hour, and the spectators aren't sure how knights move....

May-26-18  Howard: Soltis mentions who those other two grandmasters/commenters were, and I do recall that one of them was indeed Rossolimo. But I'll be darned if I can recall the other one. Just consult that book, though.
May-26-18
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  Sally Simpson: Soltis only names Rossolimo as does The Chess Review from February. Other sources. The Mammoth Book of Chess and Wade and O'Connell's book only refer to the analysts as other 'Grandmasters.'.

And how many spectators were there?

Chess Review say 200+ turned up for the Fischer - Reshevsky game and more than that for Round 7 game Fischer v Addison.

May-26-18
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  offramp: I can imagine those 200 spectators.

Half of them dressed in Fischer's away kit, and the Reshevskyites dressed as accountants.

Fireworks being sporadically let off. Guys urinating in the guy in front's pocket. Vuvuzelas blasting Fischer's eardrums.

And then, during long pauses in the game, the dreaded Mexican Wave.

Nov-05-18  PJs Studio: This game was an amazing inspiration to me as a youngster. Fischer’s 18...Nxg2!! was the first glimps I had at the depths of calculation needed to win chess games against experts and masters. One of the greatest combos in history.

The only real question about this game... does 18...Ng2 deserve two exclamation marks, or three?

Nov-30-18  mikealando: In response to earlier queries <why didn't white play 21.Nf3?> Answer: 21.Nf3 leaves white a piece down after 21...Qxd2+ 22.Rxd2 Bxc3 23.Rad1 Bxd2 24.Rxd2 Re3 25.Rf2 Rd8 26.Bc1 Rc3 27.Bg5 Rdd3 and the knight will go. Did Fischer see this far? I'm sure he did, and so did Byrne.
Nov-30-18  PJs Studio: As to the GM’s in the other room commenting on the game? David Levy in his book “How Fischer Plays Chess” points out that Byrne thought there were GMs commentating on the game but they were US senior masters.

The masters did claim it was “madness” for Byrne to resign. Levy also pointed out that Byrne thought for a long time before resigning. Byrne was a great player in those days. He knew full well he had run into a buzzsaw.

Dec-01-18  Howard: Rossolimo was one of the commentators, according to Soltis.
Jun-25-19  Patzer Natmas: Game featured in "New in Chess - Tactics Training - Bobby Fischer"

Solve for black on move 19...

19...d4! 20.♘xd4 ♗b7+ 20...♗b7+ 21.♔f1 (21.♔g1 ♗xd4+ 22.♕xd4 ♖e1+! 23.♔f2 ♕xd4+ 24.♖xd4 ♖xa1 Black wins; 21.♔f2 ♕d7! 22.♖ac1 ♕h3 23.♘f3 ♗h6 24.♕d3 ♗e3+ 25.♕xe3 ♖xe3 26.♔xe3 ♖e8+ 27.♔f2 ♕f5! ) 21...♕d7 and White resigned because of (21...♕c8 is also good. ) 22.♕f2 (22.♘db5 ♕h3+ 23.♔g1 ♗h6 Black wins ) 22...♕h3+ 23.♔g1 ♖e1+!! 24.♖xe1 ♗xd4 Black wins 25.♕xd4 (25.♖e2 ♕g2# ) 25...♕g2# --> as per the text

Apr-12-20  MordimerChess: The most amazing in this game for me is the fact that there are no "safe" positions. I sometimes play dead-symmetrical positions with open c-file. But this game always give some light to the f2/e3 sac ideas.. This is my youtube commentary to this game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZI...

Enjoy!

Jun-27-20  Saul Goodman: “As we have seen, Fischer was vulnerable in very sharp positions, where very concrete play, move by move, was demanded. His eyes became dazzled and he was not always able to find the correct way to develop his initiative at the board.”

— Garry Kasparov on My Great Predecessors, by Garry Kasparov Part II, Chapter Three (Vassily the Seventh), loc 10379 of 15778.

I guess this is payback for Fischer once calling Kasparov one of “the lowest dogs around.”

I don’t agree with Fischer’s view of Kasparov, but Garry’s statement is ridiculous, as this game proves.

Jun-27-20  Howard: Personally, I have read several times over the years that exceptionally complicated, irrational positions were not Fischer’s forte.

One of the best-known cases where this is argued, is in How To Beat Bobby Fischer, by Edmar Mednis.

Jun-27-20
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  MissScarlett: They're nobody's forte. Which pick on poor Bobby?
Jun-27-20  Howard: But didn’t greats like Tal and Korchnoi thrive on complications. Or is that a dumb question ?
Jun-28-20  Saul Goodman: The OMGP series are generally outstanding, but he tends to over-rate Botvinnik and Alekhine, and to subtly belittle Capablanca and Fischer. It’s understandable, I guess, because Capablanca and Fischer are his competitors in the “Best Ever” discussion.
Jun-29-20
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  perfidious: <Howard>, on the matter of the prowess of Tal and Korchnoi in complicated positions, here is an excerpt from a 1972 interview given to Hugh Alexander by Larsen, during which the latter expressed his views on top players of the time:

<....Analytic power and positional insight vary very much for different Grandmasters. Smyslov and Petrosian never liked to analyze complex positions very much, Tal obviously does it very well and Korchnoi's whole play is based on analysis. If you are Smyslov or Petrosian then you have such positional understanding that you can avoid many complications and dangers and the need for so much analysis. Analytical power improves very much with practice; you learn to find what is critical in a position, what is worth analysing - you see which pieces are active, where the weak points are. When you don't know what to analyse, you sit there for a long time, picking variations almost at random. Tal and Korchnoi were probably born with a greater gift for analysis than I was and I was born with a greater gift than Smyslov and Petrosian; and in positional insight it is the other way round. Korchnoi is fantastic at calculating complex variations, especially when he is hard pressed; but he must analyze because his judgment when he doesn't calculate is very bad - he has to get through a lot of variations before he knows what's happening. Of course many things that worry the ordinary player are not problems at all for a Grandmaster; but in the difficult positions Spassky has said "Korchnoi is always wrong". Maybe a strong point of Fischer is that he is good both at analysis and in judgment - though Tal can calculate better and possibly Korchnoi also.'>

Alexander, <A Book of Chess>, p 88.

Jun-29-20  Howard: Never heard of that book, but thanks very much for the excerpt.

As for the game, 21...Qc8 would have won, too, according to Stockfish.

Jun-29-20  Howard: Uhhhhh....who was Hugh Alexander ? I’m assuming you’re not referring to the baseball player.
Jun-29-20  Howard: Actually, you’re probably referring to
C H O’ Alexander (sp).
Jun-29-20
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  perfidious: Yes, as in Conel Hugh O'Donel Alexander--or in some circles, C H 'O'Death' Alexander.
Jun-30-20  saturn2: <Saul Goodman ...but he (Kasparov) tends to over-rate Botvinnik and Alekhine, and to subtly belittle Capablanca and Fischer. >

As to Fisher in OMGP the only real frowning related to Fisher is on the 1992 Fisher Spassky match. But even this concerns mainly Spassky for his 'gifts'.

Kasparov visited Fishers grave, the way he beat the whole Soviet chess establishment impressed the kid Kasparov a lot and I recall a CNN interview from the mid 90 ties when asked who was the greatest he said jokingly this should be decided between Fisher and himself.

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