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Aug-12-19
 | | harrylime: Bobby cruising to what he wanted ...
He backed off the gas in the latter part of this match . Havin given Boris a TWO game free start . |
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| Oct-22-19 | | The Boomerang: harrylime: Bobby cruising to what he wanted ...
He backed off the gas in the latter part of this match .
Havin given Boris a TWO game free start ."
Or was it Spassky playing at a better level games 11-21? |
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| May-27-20 | | jeffboka: Howard: Stockfish shows a Fischer win even with 40. K-h3 with 40. ... RxBP, and so on, so Fischer was right, Timman was mistaken. |
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Mar-12-21
 | | Gypsy: <jeffboka: Howard: Stockfish shows a Fischer win even with 40. K-h3 with 40. ... RxBP, and so on, so Fischer was right, Timman was mistaken.> Well, Timman was talking about the sealed move ...<41.Bd7? ...>, which clearly lost the game. Instead, the forcing sequence of moves: <41.Kh3! Rxf2 42.a5 Ra2 43.a6 Rxa6 44.Kh4 Ra2 45.Kxh5 ...> leads to the draw Timman mentions. White B protects both White pawns and, in order to make progress, Black needs to return material either on b3 or f5. But, in either case, the resulting pawn endgame is a dud for Black. All White needs to do is to make his K keep eye on the f6 pawn.
Positions like
click for larger viewcan not be won. |
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Mar-23-21
| | Gypsy: <41.Kh3! Rxf2 42.a5 Ra2 43.a6 Rxa6 44.Kh4 Ra2 45.Kxh5 ...> At the end of this more-or-less forcing sequence came the last structural change in the position. Afterwards, sliding forward our community friendly stock-fish engine at ~25-minute searches, I got this suggested variation: <41.Kh3 Rxf2 42.a5 Ra2 43.a6 Rxa6 44.Kh4 Ra2 45.Kxh5 Rg2 46.Kh6 Ke4 47.Bd7 Rg3 48.Be6 Kd4 49.Kh7 Ke5 50.Kh6 Rg2 51.Kh7 Rb2 52.Kg7 Rd2 53.Kg6 Rd3 54.Kf7 Rd4 55.Kg6 Rg4+ 56.Kf7 Rb4 57.Kg6 Rf4 58.Kg7 Rf3 59.Kg6 ...> 
click for larger viewBlack has maxed out the operational functionality of its peaces, but dares not to change anything structural about the position. Engine analysis (no sliding forward any more) gives variations like <59...Rg3+ 60.Kf7 Rg1 61.Bd7 Rb1 62.Be6 Rb2 63.Ke7 Rc2 64.Kf7 Rc7+ 65.Kg6 Rc5 66.Kf7 Rc3 67.Kg6 Rh3 68.Kf7 Rh7+ 69.Kg6 Ra7 70.Bc4 Ra2 71.Be6 Rd2 72.Kf7 Rd1 73.Ke8 Rh1 74.Kf7 Rh4 75.Kg6 Rg4+ 76.Kf7 Rd4 77.Kg6 Rb4 78.Bc4 Rb6 79.Be6 Rb7 80.Bc4 Rd7 81.Be6 Rd4 82.Kf7 Rg4 83.Bc4 Re4 84.Kg6 Re1 85.Be6 Rg1+ 86.Kf7 Rg2 87.Kf8 Rh2 88.Kf7 Rh3 89.Kg6 Rc3 90.Kf7 Rc6 91.Kg6 Rd6 92.Kg7 Rd1 93.Kg6 Re1 94.Kf7 Ra1 95.Kg7 Rc1 96.Kf7 Rc5 97.Kg6 Rb5 98.Bc4 Rb7 99.Be6 Rb6 100.Kf7 Ra6 101.Kg6 Ra2 102.Kf7 Rd2 103.Kg6 Rg2+ 104.Kf7> None improve the position any, and all of them clearly expire the 50-move clock. |
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Mar-23-21
 | | beatgiant: <Gypsy>
As soon as the position is down to 7 pieces (your first diagram above), the position is definitively confirmed drawn by syzygy tablebase (see https://syzygy-tables.info/?fen=8/8...) |
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Mar-23-21
 | | Dionysius1: I'm going to be naive and point out that tablebases can confirm positions as drawn etc w-i-t-h b-e-s-t p-l-a-y. For some reason it makes me cross to have people confuse the two. People who say the 2 things mean the same are lazy and do Caissa a disservice. So there :-) |
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Mar-23-21
| | beatgiant: <Dionysius1>
I have won from losing positions, lost from winning positions, and had every other possible pair of positional evaluation and game outcome, and there was no confusion at all when I described these events.But sorry if I "made you cross." I hope you won't need orthopedic surgery for that. |
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Mar-23-21
| | harrylime: Bozza aint lookin well just now ... Love him... but aint lookin well . |
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Mar-24-21
| | Dionysius1: <Beatgiant>Orthopedic? |
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Mar-24-21
| | Gypsy: <beatgiant: <Gypsy>
As soon as the position is down to 7 pieces (your first diagram above), the position is definitively confirmed drawn by syzygy tablebase (see https://syzygy-tables.info/?fen=8/8...)> Thanks, friend! Makes sense. |
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| Apr-05-21 | | DouglasGomes: <Gypsy> With the help of tablebases, SF sees the draw immediately after <43... Rxa6?>. But that is not forced at all. Do you think it is a draw after <43... Kg5> (defending h5 and denying the white king access to h4), <44. Bc4> as black was threatening to take on a6 (44.Bc8? Ra3), <44... Ra3> immobilizing the white bishop momentarily, <45. Kg3 Kxf5>? I have searched up to forced tablebase win after <43... Kg5>. |
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Apr-11-21
| | Gypsy: <DouglasGomes> I think you found the win for Fischer, even if Spassky had played the 41.Kh3. (The <more-less forcing sequence> turned out forcing <much less> than I thought) |
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| Apr-11-21 | | eyalbd: Even before 43...♖xa6 Black is not forced to play 42.. ♖a2 at all. SF says 42.. h4! followed by 43.. ♔g5 (or 42.. ♔g5 followed by h4) is winning. For example: 42..♔g5 43. a6 h4 44. ♗d5 ♖a2 45. ♗c4 ♖a3 with zugzwang |
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| May-10-21 | | RookFile: 7....d5 destroyed Spassky psychologically. But 7....Qc7 8. 0-0 Bd6 9. h3 0-0 looks super solid. |
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May-10-21
| | harrylime: <<The Boomerang: harrylime: Bobby cruising to what he wanted ... He backed off the gas in the latter part of this match . Havin given Boris a TWO game free start ."
Or was it Spassky playing at a better level games 11-21?>> I think it was a bit of both.
Bozza deffo upped his game in the 2nd half of the match .. But Bobby could almost taste being World Chess Champion after game 13 .. He shut up shop . |
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May-10-21
| | harrylime: The arguments Bozza wasn't himself at the beginning of this match , when Fischer gifted him a TWO GAME lead , I could easily slip in regarding Spassky v Karpov a few years later .. Bozza won one clean game in this match ..
Bit of a beating .. |
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May-10-21
| | harrylime: Bobby whupped Bozza in 72 ..
It wasn't close .. |
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| May-16-21 | | Chesgambit: 41.Bd7 is huge blunder 41. Kh3! |
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May-16-21
 | | fredthebear: Whistle blown for indecent post. No, it's not harry this time. |
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May-16-21
 | | perfidious: Already did, days ago. |
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May-16-21
| | harrylime: <<Chesgambit: 41.Bd7 is huge blunder 41. Kh3!>> Bobby still wins tho |
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Mar-07-22
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Harry
You keep saying;
<Having given Boris a TWO game free start > It was in fact a 3 point lead. Boris had draw odds. |
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Apr-17-22
 | | PawnSac: Quite so SS good point! |
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| Jun-20-22 | | CapablancaDisciple: The times for this final game from a website called crackteam.org: <<Game 21, August 31st-September 1st, 1972 Spassky Fischer
White Black
(ar) (0:03)
1. e4 (0:00) c5 (0:04)
2. Nf3 (0:01) e6 (0:04)
3. d4 (0:02) cxd4 (0:04)
4. Nxd4 (0:02) a6 (0:04)
5. Nc3 (0:04) Nc6 (0:05)
6. Be3 (0:05) Nf6 (0:10)
7. Bd3 (0:15) d5 (0:14)
8. exd5 (0:29) exd5 (0:16)
9. 0-0 (0:39) Bd6 (0:19)
10. Nxc6 (0:53) bxc6 (0:20)
11. Bd4 (0:59) 0-0 (0:23)
12. Qf3 (0:59) Be6 (0:38)
13. Rfe1 (1:14) c5 (0:42)
14. Bxf6 (1:19) Qxf6 (0:43)
15. Qxf6 (1:19) gxf6 (0:43)
16. Rad1 (1:22) Rfd8 (0:53)
17. Be2 (1:30) Rab8 (0:56)
18. b3 (1:32) c4 (0:58)
19. Nxd5 (1:38) Bxd5 (1:15)
20. Rxd5 (1:40) Bxh2+ (1:24)
21. Kxh2 (1:41) Rxd5 (1:24)
22. Bxc4 (1:41) Rd2 (1:26)
23. Bxa6 (1:43) Rxc2 (1:30)
24. Re2 (1:43) Rxe2 (1:38)
25. Bxe2 (1:43) Rd8 (1:38)
26. a4 (1:45) Rd2 (1:38)
27. Bc4 (1:47) Ra2 (1:40)
28. Kg3 (1:51) Kf8 (1:41)
29. Kf3 (1:51) Ke7 (1:46)
30. g4 (2:07) f5 (1:48)
31. gxf5 (2:08) f6 (1:50)
32. Bg8 (2:14) h6 (1:52)
33. Kg3 (2:14) Kd6 (1:54)
34. Kf3 (2:14) Ra1 (1:59)
35. Kg2 (2:15) Ke5 (2:00)
36. Be6 (2:15) Kf4 (2:01)
37. Bd7 (2:16) Rb1 (2:03)
38. Be6 (2:20) Rb2 (2:05)
39. Bc4 (2:23) Ra2 (2:05)
40. Be6 (2:26) h5 (2:07)
41. Bd7 s (2:53) 0-1
(ar) indicates the arrival of that player.
‘s’ after a move indicates a sealed move.
Spassky consumed the remainder of the 5-hour first session to seal his move. At the resumption of the game, at 2:50 pm, Friday, September 1st, Lothar Schmid announced in the hall that Bobby was the champion, as Spassky had resigned this game. There was a great deal of applause, and people seemed a bit reluctant to leave. At last, Bobby had accomplished his goal; he was World Champion. I looked around at the people, and noticed a small man in a wheel chair, crying. I took him to be John W. Collins, Bobby’s teacher many years before. He was there to see it.> > |
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