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|Oct-13-07|| ||Shams: do you mean 29.Rxf7 <?>
possibly ...Nxf7 then ...Qe5|
|Oct-13-07|| ||anandrulez: 29 Rxf7 Nxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7 (almost forced i think ) and then there are some drawing ideas for white . I think Adams went for a win with white and avoided this line .|
|Oct-13-07|| ||Shams: you could be right but what do you play with white on 29. Rxf7 Nxf7 30. Rxf7 Qe5<?>|
|Oct-13-07|| ||anandrulez: Here is line I saw , I thought this one is drawish though white is in the defensive .|
29 Rxf7 Nxf7
30 Rxf7 Qxf7
31 Nxf7 Rb1+
32 Bc1 Bb2
33 Qg4 Rc1+
34 Kh2 Rc2+
35 Bg2 Kxf7
36 Qd7+ Kg8
|Oct-13-07|| ||anandrulez: Qxf7 is almost forced .
Qe5 , Qf3 and the it is like +2.5 for white , since 31. Qf3 Rb1+ 32. Kh2 R1b2+ 33. Bf2 Bxe4 34. dxe4 R2b3 35. Be6 Rxf3 36. Rxf3+ Qxe6 37. Nxe6 Bb2 .
and also some other lines .
|Oct-13-07|| ||Shams: ahh, I'm arguing with an engine and I didn't even know it.|
|Oct-13-07|| ||Confuse: sometimes its good to argue against the machine! dont feel down about it!|
nice win by kasparov, although i cant say adams didn't try to get something going!
|Oct-13-07|| ||anandrulez: <Shams> , I was checking the ideas with engine . I an average player myself , cant analyze Adams games - not without Rybka atleast !!|
|Oct-13-07|| ||Shams: no worries, I'm below average myself, and you are right about ...Qe5. I guess I just like to know right off the bat if it's a Fritz line, since then I can stop analyzing my own ideas. :)|
|Oct-13-07|| ||anandrulez: Yes so perhaps Adams could have saved the game with Rxf7 which looked somewhat obvious at top level . I am suer Mickey considered it and the main reason he may have opetd out was either he felt black was a little better ( yet drawable in my opinion ) or he just wanted to win the game .
How do I select an Avatar for myself ? I am not premium member .|
|Oct-13-07|| ||Shams: <How do I select an Avatar for myself ? I am not premium member.> can't fly without wings, bro. :)|
|Oct-13-07|| ||anandrulez: <shams> oh!! thx did know that :) nevermind , when i get a (high paid) job i will take a membership|
|Oct-13-07|| ||xanadu: Is really the end lost for White at about move 40? I mean: is 41e5 a mistake?|
|Oct-13-07|| ||spirit: nice play arova!
nice pun cg!!
|Oct-13-07|| ||Marmot PFL: None of kasparov's moves were that hard to see, but the strength of them is their accuracy and constantly keeping white under pressure. 29.Rxf7 was probably drawn and white's best way out as black was better positionally (common in closed sicilian). In the ending white is worse (bad bishop) but might have held. Sacrificing the e pawn to activate this piece sharpens the game but kasparov has no fear of that.|
|Oct-13-07|| ||keypusher: It's a great game, but I am not crazy about the title.|
|Oct-13-07|| ||melv: i dont get the pun
|Oct-13-07|| ||kevin86: I don't see a spider connection,except for a knight's move-appears like a spider's legs:|
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|Oct-13-07|| ||Karpova: <kevin86>
Well, Adams is generally said to have a playing style comparable to a spider weaving its net and trapping the prey in it.
Apart from that, I don't get the pun also.
|Oct-13-07|| ||anandrulez: Mickey has this nick called spider i reckon , have heard something like that ...|
|Oct-13-07|| ||xrt999: <TylerD: Greatest ever.
Only Lasker has at least half a case arguing for the title of greatest ever. >
What analysis are you using to compare 2 players who lived and played 100 years apart? Of contemporaries, if you said that since Capa was +6 -2 =16 against Lasker and that made Capa a better player, that would be a start.
But you could then add Capa's prime came at the expense of Lasker's decline, etc.
Im just wondering, thanks.
|Oct-13-07|| ||wanabe2000: Garry Kasparov won this tournament with 10.5-3.5, 7 wins, 7 draws, no loses. Kramnik and Anand were =2nd with 8-6.|
|Oct-13-07|| ||fm avari viraf: From the Academic valence a nice game but not so spectacular. A ding dong battle that mars the charm of the game.|
|Oct-13-07|| ||JohnBoy: <fm avari> - what does THAT mean???|
|Sep-19-12|| ||plang: 9..b5 was a new move; 9..Nd4 had been played previously. Two months later at Dos Hermanas Adams played 11 c4 against Topalov; the game was drawn. After the game both players agreed that White's strongest continuation would have been 29 Rxf7..Nxf7 30 Be6..Bf6 31 Qg4..Rb1 32 Nxf7..Rxf1+ 33 Kxf1..Re8 34 ng5+..Kh8 35 Nf7+ with a draw by repetition. In this line if Black plays for more with 31..Rf8? he runs into trouble after 32 Nxf7..Rxf7 33 Bg5..Kh8 34 Hxf7..Bxg5 35 Qc8+..Qd8 36 Qxd8+..Bxd8 37 Be6..Be7 38 Rf7..Rb7 39 Rg7 and White regains his piece with an overwhelming position. Kasparov was critical of 31 Nxe5?! recommending 31 a5 instead with just a small Black edge. Adams gave the strongest line for Black as 43..a5 44 Bd5+..Kh8 45 Be6!..Bc6+! 46 Qxc6..Qxc6 47 Qc7..Qe5 48 Qxa5..Kh7 and Black has a winning advantage. Instead, after Kasparov's 43..Qh5+? Adams had the opportunity to play 45 Qxa6..Bf7 46 Qxd6..Qe3+ 47 Kh2..Kg7 48 Bd5 with decent drawing chances. Missing that Adams lost quickly.|
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