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Jacques Mieses vs Alexander Alekhine
"Scheveningen Shenanigens" (game of the day Feb-22-2018)
Scheveningen (1913), Scheveningen NED, rd 3, Jul-29
Center Game: Paulsen Attack Variation (C22)  ·  0-1



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Dec-29-11  whiteshark: Thanks <sneaky pete>! So it seems that Aljechin did do his homework after the Lewitsky game. :D
Apr-25-12  rossvassilev: so what happens if white plays 27.cxd3?
Apr-25-12  sneaky pete: <rossvassilev> <Wochenschach> suggests that after 27.cxd3 cxd3 28.Qd2 Rb5

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black will regain the queen (29.Qxd3 Rxb2+ 30.Kc1 Rc8+ 31.Kd1 Rd8) but I'm not sure what will happen after 29.b4 .. (29... a5 30.Bc5 b6 31.Bd6 ,,).

It also gives the line 27... Rxd3 28.Rg3 Bd4 29.Qxd3 cxd3 30.Bxd4 Re1+ 31.Ka2 d2

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which looks more convincing.

Jan-07-13  Llawdogg: Wow! 31 Qe4! instead of g5?? sure does take the sizzle out of this great game.
Sep-20-13  phil6875: <rossvasilev>

The correct line after 27. cxd3 is,

27...Rxd3 28. Rg3 Bd4 29. Qc2 Bxe3 30. Qxd4 Rd1+ 31. Ka2 Re6 32. f5 Ra6+ 33. Kb3 Rb6+ draw.

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  offramp: When I saw the GoTD title I thought the opening would be a Sicilian Scheveningen.

When I looked up to see what opening it was it said, "Paulsen", but not a Sicilian Paulsen, which is like a Scheveningen. This is a Centre Game Paulsen.

Anyway, no matter how you say Scheveningen the pun is a pretty good one.

Shenanigans are slightly underhanded dealings in business or a gentlemanly kind of donnybrook on a sports field.

Shenanigans are rarely singular. "I was the victim of a shenanigan" would simply sound as if you had mispronounced Scheveningen.

Feb-22-18  goodevans: Can't believe black missed <33...Re2+>!
Feb-22-18  Cibator: Not such a great pun if "Scheveningen" is given its correct Dutch pronunciation (something like "SKEY-vening-un", with the K representing the "ch sound as in the German "ach").
Feb-22-18  jith1207: of course, given foreign pronunciation the english pun would not look in place. That's the fun.

However, I appreciate knowing how it has to be actually spoken.

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  offramp: <jith1207> You'll find that no matter how you pronounce or write or profess to say "Scheveningen" you will immediately find a critic who tells you that everything you have ever said or did is a complete lie and that you must be ridiculed by everyone in the Netherlands for all eternity. This applies DOUBLE if you nearly get it right. That ENRAGES them.
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  perfidious: The place for putative pedants--and no criticism of what has gone here today is intended or implied--is surely a page I shall not name within the confines of discussion of an interesting early effort by Alekhine.
Feb-22-18  tonsillolith: <<<kevin86: Is there a longer distance from queen sac to eventual victory?! Twenty one moves sounds like a lot!!>

35! - from <16...Qxf2+> to <51...Rc3>: Tolush vs Geller, 1952>

65 moves! (17...dxe3 to 82...Kh3 ) S Kindermann vs Yusupov, 1995>

This one occurred at almost the same point in the game, but lasted a few moves longer than the Alekhine game.

Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994

Feb-22-18  Saniyat24: wow after Alekhine's 18...Be4, there are 3 bishops in the e-file, what a beautiful position...!
Feb-22-18  morfishine: Correct spelling: shenanigan(s)



Feb-22-18  newzild: <Llawdogg: Wow! 31 Qe4! instead of g5?? sure does take the sizzle out of this great game.>

If 31. Qe4, then 31...Rcc2 still looks winning to me. Eg, 32. Bc1 Rb1 33 Qe3 Bb2.

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  FSR: You misspelled <Shenanigans> - or maybe that was deliberate, to more closely imitate <Scheveningen>.
Feb-22-18  sneaky pete: <newzild> 31.Qe4 Rcc2 32.Qxd3 ..
Feb-22-18  ChessHigherCat: <sneaky pete: <rossvassilev> <Wochenschach> suggests that after 27.cxd3 cxd3 28.Qd2 Rb5> Having meditated on <rossvassilev>'s 2012 question for 6 years, I can finally play 27. cxd3 Rdx3, punch the clock and emerge from my cave. What a relief! If 28. Re1 Bd4 or Bh4 both work.

It just occurred to me as I was starting to watch the news that if 28. Rg3 only Bd4 works.

Feb-23-18  sneaky pete: Let's forget about patzers like Alekhine and Mieses and their insignificant disagreements, and concentrate on the real subject: how to pronounce Scheveningen. Here is an instructive video:
Feb-23-18  Retireborn: <sneaky pete> LOL. I used to know Drury Lane very well, but never encountered a muffin man, or a mosselman either.
Feb-23-18  morfishine: <sneaky pete> Thanks for the instructive video!, which proves conclusively that Scheveningen is pronounced nothing like Scheveningen


Feb-23-18  ChessHigherCat: < Retireborn: <sneaky pete>

Wiki is no help at all but I suspect Mosselmann means a "man who sells mussels" in Dutch (like cockles, mussels, alive alive-o) and has nothing to do with Muselmann (Muslim) in German or muscleman in English. Is that right?

Feb-23-18  sneaky pete: <CHC> Right, it's only the Mussel Man. He lives in Scheveningen. You know him, I know him, we both know him - that's what the song is about.
Jul-22-22  Sirius69: 31) g5?? loses but 31) Qe4!! draws the game!
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  Fusilli: <sneaky pete>'s instructive video is the best thing ever.
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