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Dec-14-11 | | Jason Frost: <al wazir: Harlow Bussey Daly won the Maine state championship nine times from 1959 through 1970, but the chessgames.com database contains only games of his played prior to 1951.> Daly was obviously a great player, but I'm guessing the chess scene isn't too amazing in Maine. |
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Dec-14-11 | | sevenseaman: <TheBish> <Alekhine obviously should have played 51. Kf2, when Fritz says he has a technical win after so many moves.> That would be <Fritzy> fun, if you had posted the line. Alekhine missed that? He deserved to lose then. |
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Dec-14-11 | | sfm: Incredible that Alekhine played 51.Kf4?? |
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Dec-14-11 | | Digital.King: @SuperPatzer77: There is a double mate threat... If 52 Qh8, then 52... g5#.
In any case, the queen must be given to avoid immediate mate. |
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Dec-14-11
 | | whiteshark: Caught in a hidden mate web. |
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Dec-14-11 | | TheTamale: <SuperPatzer77>: Hee hee! Sadly, the truth is, if The_Tamale ever wins a game he might... MIGHT be promoted to NN! |
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Dec-14-11
 | | kevin86: A whimsical finish-black will win white's queen and the remaining pawns will decide it. |
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Dec-14-11 | | goodevans: <sfm: Incredible that Alekhine played 51.Kf4??> Alekhine was probably looking for a quick win towards the end of a large, and possibly grueling, simul.. <51 Kf4> looks at face value like a strong move carrying threats to black's incarcerated K that appear difficult to meet. No doubt this is why Alekhine chose this move and may well have been expecting his opponent to resign. Unfortunately for him it turns out to be a blunder that loses instantly! |
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Dec-14-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <Jason Frost> You have to remember that while winning those nine Maine championships from 1959 to 1970, Daly was 76-87 years old. He's probably better known for his longetivity rather than his play. I've submitted quite a few of his games from various US Open, and get the impression of the type of player who likes to take opponents out of book early and rely on outplaying them in the middlegame. Not always totally sound, but imaginative: this game is a good sample of his style and strength. |
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Dec-14-11 | | SuperPatzer77: <TheTamale <SuperPatzer77>: Hee hee! Sadly, the truth is, if The_Tamale ever wins a game he might... MIGHT be promoted to NN!> LOL LOL - It might be a catch-22.
If the_Tamale wins a game, he might be promoted to José Raul Capablanca. LOL LOL. However, José Raul Capablanca was a Cuban grandmaster - not a Mexican. SuperPatzer77 |
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Dec-14-11 | | SuperPatzer77: <Digital.King: @SuperPatzer77: There is a double mate threat... If 52 Qh8, then 52... g5#. In any case, the queen must be given to avoid immediate mate.> <Digital.King> Oops - you're right about that. White's correct move is 52. Qf6 to stop the double mating threats but 52...e5+ to force White into giving up his White Queen to avoid getting mated. SuperPatzer77 |
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Dec-14-11 | | weisyschwarz: Thanks for choosing one from my pun collection. Alekhine looked way out of form here. |
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Dec-14-11
 | | Penguincw: Endgame Statistics
♔♕♙ vs. ♔♖♙♙♙♙
The superior side (white) wins 46.7% of the time.
A draw happens also 46.7% of the time.
The inferior side (black) 6.6% of the time. This is one example. Here are the inferior victory games:
Alekhine vs H Daly, 1929 (this one) V Sanduleac vs M Savic, 2001 |
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Dec-14-11 | | scormus: When I attempt the POTD I sometimes curse myself for not counting the pieces. At least I dont have that problem with GOTD ... at least I thought I didnt. I just opened it sa Alekhine vs. Daly, and without looking I assumed Alekhine was going to win. Towards the end I was thinking, Daly's giving putting up a good fight ... sanglant enfer, he's won!! |
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Dec-14-11 | | Magic Castle: A queen check or any attacking move by the queen is met with e5. But looks like white can probably only squeeze a draw by perpetual check at the most after Kf2. |
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Dec-14-11 | | Tigranny: Why not Kf2? |
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Dec-14-11 | | rapidcitychess: This game has good funnies. |
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Dec-14-11 | | RookFile: Alekhine must have wracked his brains trying to find a stalemate combination. |
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Dec-14-11
 | | OhioChessFan: A quick play through and I have no idea what the point of 31. g4 is. |
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Dec-14-11
 | | OhioChessFan: Fritz had no idea of the point of AA's g4 either. He likes 35...Bd7 and Black is better. Very odd at AA's refusal to move his King backwards. He passed up numerous chances to do so. |
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Dec-14-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <OhioChessFan> Having nothing to lose, I'll take a shot at trying to figure out what Alekhine had in mind with <31.g4>. click for larger viewI think his idea--as shown in later moves--was to play g3-g4 and recapture on g4 with the queen. She is nicely posted there, with threats on the g-file and to the ♙e6. Of course, that blasted rook is in the way. And if White plays 31.Rc3 Black probably defends by 31...c4 or maybe 31...Bc4. Now if 32.g4 Black has the option of 32...g6. If White trades on f5, Black has just has much right to the g-file and White's queen can't come to g4. Seen in this light, 31.g4 is a trap tempting Black to take a pawn he should just leave alone. Unfortunately for Alekhine, Daly looked deep enough to see 32...Rxf4 and 33...Rxd4. In a tournament game, I doubt Alekhine would have taken such a liberty. But this is a simul, and he's out to win against a harmless-looking middle-aged man. And I think we can all agree this was not one of Alekhine's sharpest days. |
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Dec-14-11
 | | Calli: <OCF> Probably Alekhine thought that if 31.Rc3 c4 keeps the position locked. So he played 31.g4 fxg4 32.Rc3 thinking that now 32...c4 33.Qxg4 gives him a lot of play on the K-side (Bh3, f5 etc). Instead Daly played 32...Rxf4! 33.Rxc5 Rxd4! 34.Qxd4 Qxc5 35.Qxg4 and now 35...Bd7 looks like a winning position. Daly's 35...Qc1+? was a error. |
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Dec-14-11
 | | Phony Benoni: As for The Final Blunder (51.Kf4??), I think this can be also explained by the simul giver's desire to win. Take a look at the position after the hypothetical <51.Kf2 Re4>: click for larger view<The Bish> mentioned that Fritz claims a technical win for White, but I'd like to see it as well. ♖+♙ can sometimes out against a ♕, and Black has much more than that here. I fed the position minus the three kingside pawns (to reach the six piece limit) into the Nalimov tablebase, and that position is a win for White. The general technique is to play the queen to the g-file, confining Black's king, and eventually reaching a position something like this:  click for larger viewBlack's king cannot move, so he must move another piece when his fortreee begins to collapse. On the other hand, if the Black king can come into contact with his other pieces--say on d6--White will never be able to put the king into zugzwang and the position is drawn. The question, of course, is whether White can transform the first diagram into the second. My gut feeling is "no", but then Fritz has no guts. (In the physiological sense, of course.) At any rate, Alekhine probably distrusted his winning chances in this line and went for 51.Kf4 to keep his king in play. Once again, it does not seem to have been his sharpest day. |
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Dec-14-11 | | newzild: <PhonyBenoni>
Yes, this is one of those positions that humans can figure out better than Fritz. In fact, I just played against Fritz 2.2 and achieved a drawn position very quickly: White: Fritz; Black: Newzild
1. Qf3+ Kh6
2. h4? Rxh4!
3. Qe3+ g5
4. Qxe6+ Kg7
5. Qxd5 h6
And now Fritz thinks he is 2.1 pawns better, but in fact he cannot destroy the fortress. |
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Oct-03-15
 | | TheFocus: From a simultaneous exhibition in Boston, Massachusetts at the Boston City Club on April 9, 1929. Alekhine scored +36=1-3.
See <The Boston Evening Transcript>, April 16, 1929, pg. 13. |
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