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Alexander Alekhine vs William Winter
London (1932), London ENG, rd 3, Feb-03
Caro-Kann Defense: Panov Attack. Modern Defense Mieses Line (B13)  ·  1-0

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Aug-19-07  sanyas: Very nice attack!
Jan-12-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  wwall: If 24...Re8, then 25.Ra4 wins

If 25...Re7, then 26.Rd1 should win

If 29...Qxc6?? 30.Qb8+ and 31.Qxe5

If 33...Rh5, then 34.Qe8+ Kd6 35.Rc1! Rxh2+ 36.Kg1 wins for White

Apr-24-10  heizfeld: Itīs mate in 8 however black moves
Aug-28-14  ssitimefill: I think Capablanca was correct in saying that Alekhine's game was "20% bluff."

Cursory engine evaluation shows several adequate defenses to Alekhine's attack.

Finding the correct defense to such an attack over the board however, in this game and other Alekhine games, of course, would be a very difficult task.

Comparing Alekhine's and Capablanca's play I find the former to be a good deal more speculative.

Aug-28-14  aliejin: "I think Capablanca was correct in saying That Alekhine's game was" 20% bluff. "

This is simply stupid. Of course the style of Alekhine creative, imaginative, artistic, is more exposed to inhuman rigor of a computer, than the chess player who has a more positional style, more conceptual

What is more as technology advances. It could also
be that in the future some current programs
be discredited by the newest.

I think we have to acknowledge that there have been chess players who enter the depths of chess
as alekhine, Keres, tal etc

In any case 80% (in this ridiculous quantification)
of Alekhine, was enough to dethrone Capablanca.

Aug-29-14
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  MJCB: Playing the game, I would have envisaged 16. Bf4. If Aleknine did not play it, it must have been inferior, but do not see why. Any help appreciated!
Aug-29-14
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  Retireborn: <MJCB> Presumably after 16.Bf4 Black can simply reply 16...Bd6 and White has not achieved anything.

My chess engine does think that 16.Qa4 is the strongest move: the plan Bd2, c4, Ba5 is a very clever way of keeping the black king subjected to an ongoing attack.

Aug-29-14  catlover: Alekhine, the Winter Soldier.
Aug-29-14
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  MissScarlett: Don't call us, we'll call you.
Aug-30-14
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  MJCB: Retireborn: unless I miss something, isn't 16.. Bd6 met with 17Qb7#?
Aug-30-14
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  MJCB: To Aliejin: I found in YouTube a footage where Capablanca states indeed that "Dr Alekhine's game is 20% bluff", amazing to hear it from the mouth of Capablance himself!

http://youtu.be/nuyMzb5_tlU

He could have added "MJCB game is 99% patzer" had he known me :-)

Aug-30-14
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  MJCB: Retire born: ignore my earlier comment, for some reason I saw the white a1 rook in b1... Your comment is right, I agree with it. I'm 99% patzer I tell you...
Aug-30-14
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  Retireborn: <MJCB> 1. It's not Retire born, it is Reti Reborn. Yes, I regret that name, which I chose when I happened to be studying a book of Reti's games :-)

2. The white rook *is* at b1: after 16.Bf4 Bd6 17.Bxd6 Black should not play 17...Qxd6? 18.Qb7 mate but rather 17...Rxd6 when White has no more attack.

Aug-31-14  aliejin: "To Aliejin: I found in YouTube a footage where Capablanca states indeed that "Dr Alekhine's game is 20% bluff","

Yes, I knew. True, Capablanca said that.
I consider the greatest genius of Capablanca chess history. But as a person I do not feel any respect for.

It was a lazy man, he quickly abandoned his studies, not worked .. kept the Cuban government. It was a vulgar person with incomparable talent for
chess. Besides his character was jovial when all was well and it was disgusting when the opposite was true. When he lost the title to Alekhine did not deign to appear

I have read many dislocated phrases/actions from Capablanca.

Aug-31-14
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  Sally Simpson: "Dr Alekhine's game is 20% bluff."

Therefore 80% of his game must be good play.
I'd settle for that.

If you read into the word 'bluff' the ability and imagination to create incredible OTB problems for his opponents to solve then use 'bluff' if you want.

I'd call it playing chess.

Aug-31-14  RookFile: Alekhine criticized himself, but it was different. He said that when he got older, he just looked for some random tactical position and tried to land a hammer blow.
Aug-31-14
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  perfidious: A major improvement in Black's play was unearthed long afterwards in 12....a6: Keene vs U Rath, 1976.
Sep-01-14  aliejin: "Alekhine criticized himself, but it was different. He said that when he got older, he just looked for some random tactical position and tried to land a hammer blow."

I think this is incorrect.
The reviewer who said alekhine was .....
that throughout his life, even when it was clearly a player mature, he had to fight,
with a tendency to look permanently
one combinative resolution
to solve the problems of a game.

Apr-04-15  pjanda: 28 ... Rc6? loses (28 ... Qd7, 29. Rb8+ Ke7, 30. Qb4 Ke6 and Black defends)
Dec-14-18
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  HeMateMe: This game is featured in a book Winter wrote about openings. He writes [my paraphrasing] "As a young tournament player in London I found myself up against the wily Alekhine. I didn't understand the nuances of this opening, forcing me to queenside castle and be subjected to a powerful attack."
Jan-03-20
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  GrahamClayton: Alekhine considered this game the best that he played in the tournament.

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