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Alekhine / Mme De Gosselin vs Tartakower / Lucien De Villeneuve
Paris (1933), Paris FRA, May-23
Alekhine Defense: Exchange Variation (B03)  ·  0-1

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Feb-26-06  Joao Quintas Godinho: not even 2 players ,including Alekhine , could win tartakower?
Feb-26-06
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  Calli: <Does anyone know which?>

Consultation game. In reality, its a game between Alekhine and Tartakower. Lucien de Villeneuve paid the two GMs to play a couple of games - the other one is not on CG. Neither amateur, I venture, had any real say in the moves, but rather listened as the GMs explained the game.

Feb-26-06  Petrocephalon: <J.Q. Godhino> Wheras the title of the game indicates only Tartakower, the score sheet to the right (if you are using MyChess) indicates that Tartakower also had a partner.

This could be a consultation game, where the two players decide together what move to make.

On the other hand, it could be the chess variant where the two team members alternate making moves, with no consultation. I'm sure there's a name for this variant.

Does anyone know which type of team game this was?

The former variation, which has the benefit of two pairs of eyes, should at least be free of blunders. But do consultation games in general result in higher or lower overall quality of play? Has anyone investigated this?

The latter chess variant, with team members alternating, probably results in inferior play in general, but it sounds like fun.

20..Nxd4 is a beauty.

Feb-26-06  Petrocephalon: Hi Calli,

Sorry, I deleted and reposted to correct a couple typos!

So your reply now precedes my question. Your psychic!

I wish there was an edit feature...

Feb-26-06  Petrocephalon: That way I could correct stupidities like "your" without deleting.
Feb-26-06
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  Calli: Don't worry be happy! People realize that postings won't be perfect, so unless it presents a different meaning, I let my be.
Oct-11-10  paladin at large: Fine R+P endgame by Tartakower.
Aug-20-11  vsadek: This is the consultation game played in May 1933. in Paris between Alekhine/Mme De Gosselin and Tartakower/Lucien De Villeneuve.

Tartakower included the game in his second volume “My best games of Chess” that covers the years 1931.-1954.

Here is what Tarta wrote:<”This was the first of two consultation games, organized by a distinguished French chess patron, Lucien De Villeneuve. The second game ended in a draw after an exciting struggle. Although consultation games have hardly any importance from the competitive point of view, Alekhine took this temporary discomfort very much to heart.

He even seemed henceforth to be under some unlucky star when he played me, since, not only did he lose in our game at Folkestone a bit later on, but even in all the later encounters he played with a most prudent discretion – and this from a champion who had so often before against me displayed the full splendor of his combinational genius (e.g. at Kecskemet, 1927. or at London 1932.).”>

The Folkestone game Tartakower is referring to is his famous win over Alekhine at 1933. Chess Olympiad. Alekhine vs Tartakower, 1933

Oct-26-15  TheFocus: This consultation game was played in Paris, France on May 23, 1933.

Two consultation games were organized by the chess patron Lucien de Villeneuve, who also contributed the purse.

See <La Strategie 1933>, pg. 181.

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