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Alexander Alekhine vs Max Euwe
"Dutch Oven" (game of the day Oct-22-2008)
Euwe - Alekhine World Championship Rematch (1937), Haarlem NED, rd 6, Oct-16
Slav Defense: Slav Gambit. Alekhine Attack (D10)  ·  1-0



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Oct-22-08  BipolarFanatic: <The problem I have with this kind of 'unsound' play is that you are depending on your opponent not to find the optimal moves.>

Yes, but this game illustrates that even world champions have trouble finding the optimal move. Moreover, in order to win a game of chess AT ALL, one depends on the opponent not to find the optimal move!

Oct-22-08  NewLine: Doesn't looks like GOTD to me.

I think that GM's just have those days that they do everything inexplicable wrong...

This explains a lot of games to me, some of which had played most recently, if you know what I mean...

Oct-22-08  kellmano: <KCJay> Hmmmm. Dutch oven obviously has more than one meaning. I lived in Bognor Regis, England, for a year and used to walk past a restaurant called The Dutch Oven everyday.

Never went in for fear of what it would smell like.

Oct-22-08  Andrijadj: Probably a preparation by alekhine...
Oct-22-08  tonsillolith: Didn't Alekhine say that the response to a theoretically novelty is always an error? He would be correct here.
Oct-22-08  MrMelad: Hello all, I am not trying to imply that <> are antisemitic in any way, but I do find it offensive, to relate this game between a pro Nazi and a Jew held in 1937 to ovens. I am sorry if I am being too sensitive (as a Jew), I am positive this pun was not intentional, but I can't avoid the connection.

Would <> change the name just to avoid future misunderstandings?

Oct-22-08  dakgootje: <but I do find it offensive, to relate this game between a pro Nazi and a Jew held in 1937 to ovens.>

Euwe wasn't a Jew though as far as I know (heh, and according to a source I quickly checked :P)

Can anyone explain the pun though, for I appear not to understand what this game has to do with a dutch oven [heh, didn't know before wiki'ing dutch oven that the dutchies were so good in the 1600's at making ovens :P]

Oct-22-08  JohnBoy: <Can anyone explain the pun though> - I think it's just that Euwe got cooked. Fun gambit, and clearly hard to refute OTB. But, and here is my 2 cents worth, game 5 of the match was a much better game.

And another 2 cents... lighten up <Melad>. While this game was played on the eve of the enormous tragedy that was WW2, and Alekhine was not a universally attractive character by a long shot, not everything comes down to Jews. You are being too sensitive.

Oct-22-08  jussu: MrMelad,

I'm afraid you are the only one to notice an analogy here.

Oct-22-08  Chessmensch: For those unfamiliar see this regarding what a Dutch Oven is.

Oct-22-08  melv: A move like that reminds me of "bluffing" in poker.In poker your opponent doesn't know what cards you are holding. In chess the opponent doesn't know if you have some secret tactical resource hidden deep in the complications. There is always the risk that your opponent will call your bluff.
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  kevin86: It looks like Euwe was overmatched after all...

AA regains title!

Oct-22-08  Marmot PFL: If Euwe was Jewish its unlikely he could survive WWII in Holland, as many Jewish players like Salo Landau did not.
Oct-22-08  dakgootje: <Chessmensch> The pun doesn't get much clearer if you know that information though... So far I find JohnBoy's explanation of Euwe getting cooked best... but that's mainly for it's the only explanation so far :P
Oct-22-08  dabearsrock1010: <chessmensch> that's not really what a dutch oven is. Here is a more credible source.
Oct-22-08  MrMelad: Hello all,


<Dr Max Euwe was born in Watergraafsmeer, near Amsterdam into a Jewish family>

I am really not trying to suggest that someone intended to pun about a Nazi putting a Jew in an oven in 1937, but this is what happened, and I can't imagine I am the only one to notice that.

But then again if so, and I am really the only one then apologies to everyone for bringing that up.

Oct-22-08  Autoreparaturwerkbau: Even Alekhine's quotes include word "drunk" as in:

<The fact that a player is very short of time is, to my mind, as little to be considered an excuse as, for instance, the statement of the law-breaker that he was drunk at the time he committed the crime. --- Alexander Alekhine >

Oct-22-08  Chessmensch: Thanks <dabearsrock1010> but somehow I don't think that's what Chessgames meant :-)

<MrMelad> I'm even more certain that's not what Chessgames meant either.

Jan-07-09  TheChessGuy: White wins the exchange here. A nice finish!
May-30-09  WhiteRook48: a brilliant game!!!
May-31-09  I Like Fish: euwe cooked...
in a quick oven...
Sep-15-10  shakespeare: I dont like this opening - maybe black is completely underdeveloped after 6. Nf3 - but a knight is a knight - so dxc3 and black has a good advantage best continuation Bxf7 Ke7 Qb3 Nf6
Feb-24-11  lightbishop c5e6: Hmm, I went as far as 6... dxc3 7. Bxf7+ Ke7 8.Bg5+ Nf6 9.Qb3 threatening e5 to get the piece back with advantage, and if 9... h6, then 10. Ne5. Any flaw in this may I ask?
Oct-26-11  kasparvez: Alekhine writes: "My 'chief' variation was the following: 6...dxc3 7.Bxf7+ Ke7 8.Qb3 Nf6 9.e5 Ne4 10.0-0! Qb6 11. Qc4! cxb2 12.Bxb2 Qxb2 13.Qxe4 Kxf7 14.Ng5+ Ke8 15.Qc4 Be7 16.Qf7+ Kd8 17. Rad1+ Bd7 18.Ne6+ Kc8 19.Qxe7 Qxe5 20.Rfe1 Qf6 21.Rxd7 Qxe7 22.Rxe7 with a won position.

...But then, instead of 8...Nf6 Black could play 8...cxb2! 9.Bxb2 Qb6! 10.Bxg8 Rxg8 11.Qxg8 Qb4+ 12.Nd2 Qxb2, after which his middlegame prospects should be estimated decidedly higher than White's."

Jan-03-12  King.Arthur.Brazil: On the tactical variation 8...cxb2! 9.Bxb2 Qb6! instead of capturing the Ng8 and lose the powerful light square B with 10.Bxg8, I preferred to continue the king attack by 10.Ba3+ then:(1)Kf6?? 11.e5+ Kf5 12.Qd3+ Kf4 13.Bc1+ Kg4 14.Qe4++ (some mate with 12... Kg4 directly). (2)Kd8 (is forced!) 11.Td1+ Nd7 (or Bd7)12.Bxf8 and white has 3 treats: Bxg7 (win the R or quality) Qe6 (with Qe8+ and Bd6+) and Ne5...(meaning Nxd7...Txd7+... Qe6+)thus black lose material, position, game! I can't believe nobody had seen this Ba3+ powerful attack. Maybe, Kasparov did!
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