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| Dec-08-10 | | musicmanTRIBALx: 20. ...f3 isn't quite ! |
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| Dec-08-10 | | musicmanTRIBALx: <rilkefan: 20...f3 gets an "!"?> exactly. |
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| Dec-08-10 | | mpl: 15. ♗xc6 is an error. Alekhine's comment states that the immediate f3 would lose due to ♗c5+ and fxg3 . Therefore white must first take out the possibility fxg3. So the best defense at this stage would have been: 15. gxf4 exf4 16. f3
and the bishop on c7 might help defending via the route b6, g1. Black is still a little bit better and has an ongoing initative, but it would have been a different game... |
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| Dec-08-10 | | mpl: 14. .. fxg3! and now:
15. fxg3 ♘d4! 16. ♔h1 ( 16. h4 ♖xf1 17. ♕xf1 ♕e3  ) ♗xc3 17. ♖xc3 18. ♘xe2 or 15. hxg3 ♘d4 since white can't defend e2 without loosing material. |
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| Dec-08-10 | | Jamboree: Who would agree to play in Munich in 1941?
From wikipedia:
"Alekhine stayed in Nazi-occupied Europe during the war, where he played in tournaments which were organised by the Nazis. Anti-Semitic articles appeared under his name, although he later claimed they were forged by the Nazis. Alekhine had good relationships with several Jewish chess players, and his fourth wife was Jewish. After the war, Alekhine was ostracized by players and tournament organizers because of the anti-Semitic articles." I guess the argument still rages about his acquiescence to Nazi rule. |
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| Dec-08-10 | | gars: Alekhine's comments on his 19th move are annoying: he seems to see through everything, which is probably true, but nevertheless disturbing to read if one is a weak player as I am. Since weak players are entitled to ask silly questions (at least as I see it!) here it goes: which player should a chess rabbit study in order to improve? Capablanca, Alekhine, Lasker, Morphy, Fischer, Karpov or who else? Please do not mention Nimzovich: I have tried to read "My System" and it seems to be written in Volapuk! Thanks a lot. |
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Dec-08-10
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1 Stoltz,Goesta 12/15
2 Alekhine,Alexander 10.5/15
3 Lundin,Erik 10.5/15
4 Bogoljubow,Efim 9.5/15
5 Nielsen,Bjorn 9/15
6 Richter,Kurt 9/15
7 Foltys,Jan 8/15
8 Rethy,Pal 7.5/15
9 Rabar,Braslav 7/15
10 Kieninger,Georg 7/15
11 Fuster,Geza 6.5/15
12 Mross,Paul 6/15
13 Opocensky,Karel 5.5/15
14 Rohacek,Ivan 4.5/15
15 Cortlever,Nicolaas 4.5/15
16 Leepin,Peter 3/15
From Whiteshark's tournament collection.
<Anti-Semitic articles appeared under his name, although he later claimed they were forged by the Nazis. > He boasted about the articles in a visit to Spain during the war. You can find the details in Winter. I don't think his authorship of the articles is an open question anymore. <I guess the argument still rages about his acquiescence to Nazi rule.> What is there to argue about? If I say "Alekhine acquiesced in Nazi rule," what evidence are you going to introduce in opposition? There isn't any. I suppose you can say even Euwe "acquiesced" in Nazi rule, in that he didn't go around sabotaging German tanks as far as I know. With Alekhine any argument is more about "degree of active and enthusiastic participation." |
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| Dec-08-10 | | shakespeare: ol - chessplayers and politics :-) maybe life imitates chess but politicians cheat and betray - something quite ineffective OTB - dependant on the opponent... |
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| Dec-08-10 | | Cardinal Fang: <Jamboree> There's no argument. It's well known that copies of the articles, in Alekhine's own handwriting, were found in his wife's effects after her death. Nobody makes excuses for Alekhine any more. (They've mostly been too busy making excuses for Fischer.) |
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| Dec-08-10 | | Llawdogg: Alekhine may not have been a great man, but he was a great chess player. Very nice to have his own annotations. |
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| Dec-08-10 | | kevin86: White paints himself into a corner and throws away the key. Alekhine was known for sharp,but erratic play. How else could he beat Capablanca and then lose to Euwe (OK-he beat him as well)? |
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| Dec-08-10 | | rilkefan: <How else could he beat Capablanca and then lose to Euwe> The loss has been attributed to Alekhine's alcoholism. |
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| Dec-08-10 | | rapidcitychess: Leepin Lizards! That's a nice attack! |
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| Dec-08-10 | | drnooo: The real question about him seems to me
why in hell didnt he just escape? Or Keres for that matter. Were the risks of escaping very great? Others did. As for Keres, well he did NOT write any antiJew blather, but the business about just hanging around all that Heil Hitler by both seems less than hororable, unless somebody knows more about this than what is on the surface. |
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| Dec-08-10 | | drnooo: ok answered my own question...Keres DID
in fact try to escape. In fact in 44, when he did not make it out of estonia,
ever after his allegiance to the motherland was under question, thus his
situation with the KGB ever after. I suspect the history of world championship chess might well have been
vastly vastly different had Keres made it to the west...though had he and then the WC came around in Moscow in 48 he would have had an interesting decision whether to return or not right back into the soviet frying pan.
Anyway the diff between him and Alekhine was that not only did he try to escape but never once wrote anything antijew |
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| Dec-08-10 | | TheChessGuy: You can always tell an Alekhine annotation: who else uses the word "efficacious" in their notes? |
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| Dec-08-10 | | Nova: Why did white play 17. Rxc3 instead of bxc3? The text move allowed black to grab the e pawn and later place his pawn at f3. It also seems Alekhine was a little too boastful in his annotations. 20...f3! definitely doesn't deserve an exclamation mark. |
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Dec-08-10
 | | Benzol: Possible continuation if White had played 17.bxc3
17.bxc3 Bxe2 18.Qxe2 f3 19.Qe4 Rf4 20.Qxc6 Qh3 21.Qxa8+ Rf8 22.Qxf8+ Kxf8 and Black will mate on g2. |
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| Dec-26-10 | | aliejin: In the first part of the 20 century
there was millons, millons,millons
and millons of anti-semi, nazi, fascistas etc
That was a big, deep problem of the whole
human being. Alekhine was just one more
Watching a simple game of chess and
start to judge
It seems hypocritical, pathetic ........
Thanks Alekhine for your art .... |
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| Mar-01-11 | | jmboutiere: In 73 years, in variation A22, black wins only 22 times in 20 moves.We study today Alekhine because of his chess genius, not because he lived during the war in Portugal.I preffer opinions about Alekhine from Kasparov, Anand, Carlsen, Karpov, Fischer.I think they know better what they owe to Alekhine, than we kibitzers. |
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Mar-02-11
 | | Richard Taylor: The point is not to worry too much about stats...this line for black is quite o.k. (one draw back is that Black is a little behind in time as he is in say the QG Accepted but that is o.k. if he develops well and quickly (Alekhine won some nice games where black fails to do this in that line)) and in my case I play it as it suits my style. It is still a valid line and is still played by GMs. |
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Mar-02-11
| | Richard Taylor: < Jamboree: Who would agree to play in Munich in 1941? From wikipedia:
"Alekhine stayed in Nazi-occupied Europe during the war, where he played in tournaments which were organised by the Nazis. Anti-Semitic articles appeared under his name, although he later claimed they were forged by the Nazis. Alekhine had good relationships with several Jewish chess players, and his fourth wife was Jewish. After the war, Alekhine was ostracized by players and tournament organizers because of the anti-Semitic articles." I guess the argument still rages about his acquiescence to Nazi rule.> According to du Mont's account in Aklehine's (2nd) book of his games, Alekhine's wife was there so he had (or felt he had to) to go back to Germany or France..he also says that when in South America Alkehine refused that his team play against the Nazis or the German team when war broke out...and when he was met after the war he looked quite ill... I also read (against this) that he had cooperated quite over much with the Nazis. History confounds and confuses... I think it is an unknown.
Also the tragedy for chess is that just as he it was agreed he be allowed to play Botvinnik and the match was set to go, as du Mont says: "he breathed his last." Now a match with Botvinnik would have been fantastic to see... In way, whatever Alekhine did or why, he was a victim himself of anti-Semitism and the war. (He was a victim even if he WAS anti-Semitic as Fischer was also a kind of victim (even more ironic as BOTH his parents were Jewish) of the madness...and indeed there are no "excuses" but Alekhine didn't start the Nazi Party or the 2nd World War. So we can explain and mitigate. But I can understand how distressing this issue is to those who are Jewish. |
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| Mar-02-11 | | aliejin: I think we are dramatizing, the point of being vulgar
(Being out of context)
Wagner, one of the greatest artists in history,
he was antiseminta admitted and his music was heard as a backdrop
on executions in the camps
Today he is heard and admired around the world
and interpreted by Jewish artists (eg, Barenboim)
It's been too long ...... |
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| Mar-02-11 | | BobCrisp: Talking of dramatising, you don't really believe that the Germans executed people to the strains of <Wagner>, do you? I saw a British WW2 film recently called <Secret Mission> which had German military vehicles cruising the streets of occupied French towns blasting out Teutonic classical music. Still, I like a nice war film. |
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| Mar-03-11 | | aliejin: The Germans executed Jews to the music of Wagner
It is a historic DATA
It is the reason why Wagner is prohibited in Israel today
(Barenboim considers this as out of place in the Century 21) I think that dramatize is to make a simple analysis
chess game in something like a mini-trial
Nuremberg |
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