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|Sep-18-05|| ||ughaibu: Manson and Asahara were very popular people.|
|Sep-19-05|| ||Gypsy: So were Uljanov and Dzhugeshvili; for many they still are. Your point?|
|Sep-19-05|| ||Gypsy: As for Pachman, he fought Nazis in the resistance, spent time in a Nazi prison; his brother, chess problemist Vladimir, spent most of the War in a concentration camp. Hardly a background, personal or familial, of a man to spare Junge's reputation on some whim. Had Pachman known real dirt on Junge, he would spelled it out fully so. He was not shy to call things the way he saw them.|
|Sep-20-05|| ||ughaibu: My point is that a person's likeability is insufficient character reference.|
|Sep-20-05|| ||keypusher: <My point is that a person's likeability is insufficient character reference.> Yes, but we can always trust vegetarians. Except for Hitler.|
|Sep-20-05|| ||Gypsy: <ughaibu: My point is that a person's likeability is insufficient character reference.> Absolutely true, Ted Bundy was a pathological example of that. |
In Junge's case, however, it is the absence of reprimand or censure that also counts. We know that he was a member of Hitlerjugend and we know that he fell (quite foolishly and unnecessarily) in the vaning days of the War. But did he commit evil or despicable deeds? Thus far nothing came up.
At my latest visit to Czech Republic past summer, I asked a bit around. I wanted to get a feel for whether there was any ill will towards Junge ammong old chessplayers who lived through the War... I found no ill will or grudge towards him there.
|Sep-20-05|| ||Averageguy: A brilliant combo starting with 18.Ra6. What amazes me is Alekhines ability to find so many quiet but deadly moves such as 23.Bd2 and 24.e4 that many of us lesser mortals (me anyway) would probably overlook.|
|Sep-22-05|| ||who: Fritz gives 24...b4 as much better. 24...b4 25.Ra1 Kb5 26.b3 Qb6 27.Qxf7 Rb7 28.Qd5 Rc5 29.Qg8 Rb8 30.Qxh7 Qf6 31.Qh3 Kb6 as about equal.|
|Oct-25-06|| ||sucaba: 22 ♕-♖7+, ♔-♗3 (would ♔-♕3 draw?),
Jas H Duke askes on http://www.gangway.net/1/gangway1.5... .
The page contains his poem about this game and its circumstances,
the moves in descriptive notation, and a translation into German by Gabi Malotras.
|Oct-25-06|| ||Laskerschueler: So can White win after 24...b4 ?
As for Junge having been a Nazi: If he was one, he has paid heavily for it!
|Oct-26-06|| ||Calli: <Laskerschueler> "So can White win after 24...b4 ?"|
Yes, 24...b4 25.Ra1 will eventually win. King position is just too bad. The suggestion 22...Kd6 as given a couple of years ago is the only chance.
|Feb-23-07|| ||LIFE Master AJ: An extremly brilliant game by Alekhine ... one wonders how much he actually saw. |
One of Alekhine's prettiest games, a real "tour de force."
|May-26-08|| ||Pawn and Two: Fritz shows Black has the edge after 22...Kd6!: (-42) (21 ply) 23.f4 Ra8 24.fxe5+ Kc6 25.Qxd4 Rhd8 26.Qc3+ Kb6 27.Be3+ Kb7 28.Rc1 Rac8 29.Bc5 Qc6; or (-67) (21 ply) 23.Bf4 Rhd8 24.Qxd4+ Ke7 25.Qb4+ Rd6 26.Be3 Kd7 27.Rxd6+ Qxd6 28.Qg4+ Qe6 29.Qxg7 Qf5.|
Pachman stated that Junge rejected 22...Kd6 because of 23.Bf4. After the game Alekhine pointed out that 23.Bf4 only leads to a draw after 23...exf4 24.Rxd4+. Alekhine apparently made no mention of the better move for Black, 23.. Rhd8.
|May-26-08|| ||Pawn and Two: 24...Qb3? led to a quick loss. White has a considerable advantage, but Black could have fought on, in a difficult ending with some chances of survival, after the much better 24...b4 25.Ra1 Kb5: (1.01) (22 ply) 26.b3 Qb6 27.Qa4+ Kc5 28.Qd7; (.84) (24 ply) 28...Qd8 29.Qa7+ Kd6 30.Qxf7 Ra8 31.Qd5+ Kc7 32.Qxe5+ Kc6 33.Rd1 Qd7 34.Bxb4 d3 35.Bc5 Ra2 36.Bd4 Qd6 37.Qxd6+ Kxd6 38.Rxd3; (.74) (20 ply) 38...g6.|
|May-21-10|| ||timothee3331: Nobody protested when in Nanjing the players wore a Mao uniform while this political system has made far as much deaths than the criminal nazi system.|
|May-21-10|| ||BobCrisp: Is a female Mao uniform a little red dress?|
|May-21-10|| ||keypusher: Pearl Spring 2009
Sorry, timothee, I don't see it.
|Jun-01-10|| ||timothee3331: http://www.chessbase.com/news/2008/...|
Can you just tell me what this is ??
Or since I'm an Alekhine fan, maybe you will say that i've drunk too much !?
BTW, I'm a Topalov Fan, i just took his photo which was very easy to find. And I'm not even talking about GM Dominguez making the apology of Guevara while this bastard knew nothing except mastering a gun.
|Mar-25-15|| ||pjanda: 22. Kc6?! But after 22. ... Kd6! White have to fight for a draw. So sacrifice of Rook was incorrect, but psychologically perfect.|
|Jun-13-15|| ||corax65: Klaus Junge was definitely not a member of the Waffen-SS. He was a lieutenant of the Wehrmacht. Look here: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Klaus_Junge.|
|Jun-14-15|| ||cunctatorg: The fact that the warriors among the Nazi, the Waffen SS made a lot of War Crimes and systematic Crimes against Humanity doesn't prove that EVERY member of the Nazi Party who fought in WW II (and obviously within Waffen SS) was seeking (in the first place...) to perform Crimes against Humanity or that he was a sociopath, a Sadist, a Serial Killer or a lunatic etc. Too many of them fought bravely in the battlefield and even they sacrificed their life ... which proves that their principal motivation was the dedication to some ideals, to some dangerous and even totalitarian Ideology and the main question arises: what was the starting point of that ideology and what was the character, the "touchy" points of these men - or even women?!? Of course if someone conducts War Crimes or Crimes against Humanity, you have to judge him by his actions and treat him analogously but the decision of the trial is one thing, the question about his personality is another thing... However both Klaus Junge and the other famous/infamous Waffen SS Nazi, the mathematician Oswald Teichmuller passed somehow judgement on themselves: Junge (who was a Nazi, only these guys dressed in a uniform with the Swastika) refused to surrender to American Troops in 1945 and he died fighting ... while he was fully aware that the War was lost and the Capitulation of his country was inevitable... Perhaps he sensed that "there wasn't room for him" to surrender and his options were either victory or death... However I do trust Ludek Pachman's account, he was a honest person and a dedicated anti-totalitarian...|
|Jun-14-15|| ||cunctatorg: Another (very) relevant question is about the terrorists of the German RAF; let's ask what "the (same)" Klaus Junge would do if he had been born not in 1924 but in 1944 or even at 01/01/1954?!? Aside this, this Alekhine's victory is "extremely convincing" and a great achievement, a really great game which proves that Klaus Junge had not a big problem to be defeated by a person ... "of an "inferior" race"... because he was aware that Alexander Alekhine played better than him!...|
|Jun-15-15|| ||Barococo Prosopoeia: True. One example of that is Guy Sajer. One of his parents was French, and the other was German. For some reasons he fought for Germany during WW2 and survived the march to and retreat from Russia. He wrote a searing memoir about the war from the viewpoint of an ordinary German soldier, The Forgotten Soldier.|
|Nov-08-15|| ||TheFocus: This game won the first brilliancy prize.|
|Jan-24-17|| ||Nerwal: It is very hard to argue against 18. ♖a6 as White is never losing anywhere and Black's position becomes unpleasant to play - actually it's a real minefield. Yet 18. ♗g5 (18. ♗g5!? 0-0 19. ♗xf6 gxf6 =/∞ Dvoretsky - but I would prefer White here) probably offered also good chances of success without all the risks involved.|
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