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Cordel / Minckwitz / Allies vs Anderssen / Goring / Allies
Leipzig (1871)
Spanish Game: Open Variations (C80)  ·  1-0



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Feb-23-04  ruylopez900: Very nice game. Love it on move 46 how White sacs a Rook so he (they?) can promote the pawn. Beautiful.
Apr-14-04  Bears092: someone made a game collection based around desperados like this, right?
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  Sneaky: Yes, that's me--thanks, Bears. Game Collection: Crazy Rooks
Jun-20-04  dac1990: What does "Et al" mean?
Jun-20-04  acirce: <dac1990> "And others"
Jun-20-04  iron maiden: It's Latin, a shortened version of the phrase "et alia."
Jun-20-04  deowal: I have a question about team games.. do they just sit away from the table after each move to decide what to do?

Im pretty new to chess, sorry if there is an obvious answer!

Jun-21-04  acirce: <iron maiden> Strictly, isn't it 'et alii' ?!
Jun-21-04  AdrianP: <acirce> <"et alii"> - quite right at least for the first lot - as for the second lot, they're probably in the accusative <"et alios"> - "v" is an abbreviation for "versus" which, I think, is a non-classical Latin (i.e. Medieval - not my thing) preposition.
Jun-21-04  mjk: <acirce>, yes, but wouldn't it depend on the number of others? Since "et al." isn't much shorter than "et alii", typographically speaking, one might assume it is an effort to save the time in getting the number right.
Jun-21-04  acirce: <AdrianP> Not sure I understood that. First lot? Second lot?

<mjk><wouldn't it depend on the number of others?> It does? Maybe, but does it also depend on masculinum/femininum? Could female others be called something else, and "et al" an all-embracing abbreviation for all these possibilities?

Jun-21-04  AdrianP: <Acirce> "Cordel et al. versus Anderssen et al.": the first al. is likely to be nominative, the second al. likely to be accusative. Assuming, there were more than one of the others and they were not all female, it would be "Cordel et alii versus Anderssen et alios"

Singular would be "Cordel et alius versus Anderssen et alium" (i.e. "Cordel and one other versus Anderssen and one other"). Feminine sing. "Cordel et alia versus Anderssen et aliam". Fem. Pl. "Cordel et aliae versus Anderssen et alias".

<mjk> probably has a point.

Jun-21-04  acirce: Thank you. As you have noticed, my Latin knowledge isn't exactly exemplary.
Oct-12-05  Averageguy: What exactly is a team game?
Oct-12-05  EmperorAtahualpa: the zugzwang position in the end is pretty instructive.
Nov-19-05  soberknight: et al!
Oct-09-06  sneaky pete: It's quite simple Cordel, Minckwitz & Allies vs Anderssen, Göring & Allies. The Allies handled the i- and z-pawns.
Jan-05-09  WhiteRook48: ...Rf4+ Qe4!! no more checks and if black takes white retakes and queens his two remaining pawns.
Feb-17-09  swarmoflocusts: mjk is correct. The "al" is present in all forms of alius/a/um, regardless of g/#/c.
May-27-09  WhiteRook48: funny ending
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