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Arthur Bisguier vs Robert James Fischer
USA-ch (1965), New York, NY USA, rd 5, Dec-19
Torre Attack: Fianchetto Defense. Euwe Variation (A48)  ·  0-1

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Feb-13-04  Catfriend: From the pawn-weakness white had throughout the game
Apr-20-04  Benjamin Lau: Look at how easily Fischer won this game and how weakly Bisguier played throughout. Such unambitious and meaningless meandering with the pieces in the center, and such uninspired opening play! Bisguier must have been ordered to lose.
Dec-12-08  Helios727: What happens after 42. Kxh1 ?
Dec-12-08  Darek: After 42.Kh1 simple 42...Rb1+
43 Kh2 Bg3 44 Kh3 Rh1 mate :P
May-12-14  Mudphudder: Why does this kind of fantastic finish not made GOTD yet??!
Jun-30-16
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  kingscrusher: Crosstable for tournament:

http://graeme.50webs.com/chesschamp...

Jun-16-19  Patzer Natmas: I have finally outdone Fischer ( must give credit to him since I'm learning his tactics)! A quicker win: 41...hxg3+ 42. Kh3 Rxh1#

This game is featured in "New in Chess - Tactics Training - Bobby Fischer"

Jun-17-19
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  Sally Simpson: ***


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Sorry but 41...hxg3+ 42.Nxg3 and there is not forced mate.

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Jun-17-19
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  harrylime: You tell it like it is <Sally> 👍😉
Jun-17-19
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  fredthebear: <Darek: After 42.Kh1 simple 42...Rb1+ 43 Kh2 Bg3 44 Kh3 Rh1 mate :P>

Darek gives the correct finish. White could throw in a couple useless rook interpositions on the back rank, but RxR+ removes them easily.

Jun-17-19
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  perfidious: Sure is a good thing someone verified the mating finish for us weakies. Weren't for <fred>, who seems to believe every poster is a cretin, beginners would have no place here.
Jun-17-19
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  Sally Simpson: ***

Hi perfidious,

Not like you to chip in like that. FTB was confirming the 'What happens after 42. Kxh1 ?' post. (though there is a wee copied typo it's 42.Rc1+)

I like FTB's posts, always chess related and often clears up a question.

Anyway, whilst you are here. I've noticed the humans are adding computer talk to their comments. 'White has a +2 advantage. etc.

Do you remember people when analysing a game saying the word, 'box?'

The end this game (without the wasteful White Rook moves) would be 42.Kxh1 'box' Rc1+ 43 Kh2 'box' Bxg3+ 43.Kh3 'box'.

Box = 'only move' and a small box was used to designate an 'only move' in the informator.

Hi Harry,

I was trying to let down gently the P. Natmas's post thinking he had finally 'outdone Fischer'. I'm sure in the past a lot of his OTB opponents thought that as well.

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Jun-17-19  ughaibu: Kingcrusher: That's a very interesting table. In a tournament of just the top half of the players, Fischer finishes in third place.
Jun-18-19
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  Sally Simpson: ***

Hi ughaibu,

I see what you mean. Actually copying and pasting the table (and tidying up) does not show too bad to give others an idea what we are talking about.

The two Fischer losses came in round 8 Fischer vs Robert E Byrne, 1965 and round 9 Reshevsky vs Fischer, 1965

17th US Championship, New York, December 12-31, 1965

----------------1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2
1. Fischer---- x 0 0 ˝ 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 8˝-2˝
2. Byrne, R.-- 1 x ˝ ˝ ˝ 1 0 1 1 ˝ ˝ 1 7˝-3˝
3. Reshevsky- 1 ˝ x 1 ˝ ˝ ˝ 1 0 1 ˝ 1 7˝-3˝
4. Addison---- ˝ ˝ 0 x ˝ ˝ ˝ 1 1 1 1 0 6˝-4˝
5. Zuckerman 0 ˝ ˝ ˝ x ˝ 1 ˝ 1 ˝ ˝ 1 6˝-4˝
6. Rossolimo--0 0 ˝ ˝ ˝ x 1 1 0 1 1 ˝ 6 -5
7. Benko----- 0 1 ˝ ˝ 0 0 x ˝ 0 ˝ 1 1 5 -6
8. Evans------ 0 0 0 0 ˝ 0 ˝ x 1 1 1 1 5 -6
9. Saidy------ 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 x ˝ 1 ˝ 5 -6
10. Bisguier---0 ˝ 0 0 ˝ 0 ˝ 0 ˝ x ˝ ˝ 3 -8
11. Burger----0 ˝ ˝ 0 ˝ 0 0 0 0 ˝ x 1 3 -8
12. Suttles----0 0 0 1 0 ˝ 0 0 ˝ ˝ 0 x 2˝-8˝

It was possibly close results like this that prompted Fischer to pull out of the 1969 Championship. he wanted a double round robin to recover from any accidents (his words.).

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Jun-18-19  ughaibu: Sally Simpson: wondering how typical or atypical this might be, I've had a look at just the top half of the table for all USSR and US championships with tournament pages listed here at Chessgames.com (so far, only up to 1959).

Under this system, given in the form A deposes B:

2nd USSR: Levenfish deposes Romanovsky

4th USSR: Verlinsky deposes Bogolubov

8th USSR: Levenfish deposes Botvinnik

9th USSR: Chekhover deposes Levenfish and Rabinovich

11th USSR: Belavenets deposes Botvinnik

16th USSR: Flohr deposes Bronstein and Kotov

22nd USSR: Smyslov deposes Geller (I'm not sure that this one counts, as they were joint winners before the play-off)

26th USSR: Kholmov deposes Petrosian

Some of the results are surprising, and quite fun, so I might continue tomorrow, or switch to interzonals, candidates tournaments or similar.

Jun-18-19
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  AylerKupp: <<Sally Simpson> It was possibly close results like this that prompted Fischer to pull out of the 1969 Championship.>

I think that technically he didn't pull out, he declined to participate. And the reason he declined to participate was as you said, his concern about "accidents" and the USCF's refusal to double the length of the US Championship to reduce the probability of this happening. He also declined to participate in the 1968 US Championship for the same reason, and the 1960/1 US Championship for unknown (to me) reasons.

As far as Bisguier is concerned Fischer utterly dominated him. They played 15 games with Fischer winning 13, drawing 1, and losing 1. A 90.0% scoring % with 14/15 decisive games!

Jun-18-19  Petrosianic: <He also declined to participate in the... the 1960/1 US Championship for unknown (to me) reasons.>

It was the 1961/2 Championship, and the reason was that he was getting ready for the upcoming Stockholm Interzonal, and Candidates Tournament only a short time later.

Jun-18-19
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  Sally Simpson: ***

Hi AylerKupp,

I was unsure about the 1968 one. The non-participation in 1969 is the more famous one as it was a zonal.

Hi ughaibu,

Looks like you are having fun, maybe, and please don't take this as criticism, add the game link.

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Jun-18-19
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  AylerKupp: <<Petrosianic> It was the 1961/2 Championship, and the reason was that he was getting ready for the upcoming Stockholm Interzonal, and Candidates Tournament only a short time later.>

Aaaargh! You're right, of course. I originally looked it up in Wikipedia and they were right also. I just put down the wrong year because of poor eyesight. And Fischer won the 1962 Stockholm Interzonal easily, perhaps too easily, 2˝ points ahead of Geller and Petrosian.

That might have given him a false confidence that he would win the 1962 Candidates Tournament at Curacao just as easily. Who knows, if he had played in (and likely won) the 1961/2 US Championship he might not have had the time to properly prepare for the 1962 Interzonal and not won it so convincingly, or even not won it at all. Had he finished, say, in the top 3-6 places in the 1962 Interzonal he might not have been so overconfident prior to the 1972 Candidates Tournament and not started so poorly, and possibly might have won it. In that case he would have played Botvinnik for the 1963 WCC and become world champion almost a decade before he actually did. His career might have turned out quite differently, although that might have just meant that he would have retired from chess in 1963 rather than 1972.

Speculation is fun, isn't it?

Jun-18-19
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  Sally Simpson: ***

Hi AylerKupp,

....and the Russians would have underestimated Fischer and might not have fixed World Chess.

The 1972 Hyper-Fischer mass media frenzy would have kicked off when Bobby got back to America on the 1st of July - Tom Cruise (born 3rd July 1962) would have been called Bobby Cruise.

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Jun-19-19  ughaibu: Sally Simpson: <maybe, [ ] add the game link.>

It's not a matter of individual games, what I did was cut out all games with the players who finished in the lower half of the table and considered an imaginary tournament consisting of just the top half.

Jun-19-19
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  Sally Simpson: ***

I see. A kind of Super Modified Median (with a twist of lemon) where the players in the bottom half are ignored.

This tournament USSR Championship (1939) cutting the 18 player table in half has:

Botvinnik (winner)= 5˝ from 9 games

Belavenets (3rd) = 6˝ from 9 games

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Jun-19-19  ughaibu: That's basically it, but the top half is nine players so the scores are out of eight: five and a half for Belavenets and five for Botvinnik.
Jun-21-19
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  Sally Simpson: ***

Hi ughaibu,

Another for your collection.

Palma de Mallorca (1969)

Petrosian, Korchnoi, Spassky and Hort

all scored more than the winner (Larsen) based on the top 8.

Larson won it by being the only player to beat the bottom five 5-0.

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Jun-21-19
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  harrylime: <AylerKupp: <<Sally Simpson> It was possibly close results like this that prompted Fischer to pull out of the 1969 Championship.> I think that technically he didn't pull out, he declined to participate. And the reason he declined to participate was as you said, his concern about "accidents" and the USCF's refusal to double the length of the US Championship to reduce the probability of this happening. He also declined to participate in the 1968 US Championship for the same reason, and the 1960/1 US Championship for unknown (to me) reasons.

As far as Bisguier is concerned Fischer utterly dominated him. They played 15 games with Fischer winning 13, drawing 1, and losing 1. A 90.0% scoring % with 14/15 decisive games!>

This guy < AylerKupp> HATES Robert Fischer.

We neeeeeeed a LIST OF FISCHER HATERS on this site.

I will compile it 👍

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