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|Jul-07-11|| ||wordfunph: game sidelight..
according to Vukcevich in the book "Chess Problems and Games of Dr. Milan Vukcevich", after Bisguier saw his 15th move, Bisguier leaned toward him and said, "I should resign now, but nobody in the audience would understand why!" So, they played a little longer.
|Dec-31-19|| ||al wazir: 22...Qa8 was a bad choice. After 22...Qe7, white would have gotten only an exchange out of the combination:|
22...Qe7 23. Bxf6 gxf6 24. Bd5 Bxd5 25. Rxd5 c6.
|Dec-31-19|| ||FSR: <al wazir> Based on <wordfunph>'s comment, it sounds like Bisguier was eager to get the game over with.|
|Dec-31-19|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: All surrounding anecdotes or analysis aside, the puzzle is a fun and easy one. The h6 knight is poisoned because, if it is captured, then Bxf6 forks the queen against a key mating diagonal. But if it's left untouched, it wins material through an elementary knight fork.|
As for the audience comment, that seems a bit odd. I played in the US Open in Ventura, CA a couple of years later, and I don't recall an audience big enough to much worry about.
|Dec-31-19|| ||scormus: When I see a move like 22 ... Qa8 played by Master, I wonder if it might have been just another way of resigning. Though he could have "resigned" by 20 .... gxh6|
|Dec-31-19|| ||Walter Glattke: I thought for 20.Nxg7 Kxg7 21.Rd3, e.g. 21.-Bxe4 22.Bxf6+ Qxf6 23.Qg4+ Qg6 24.Qd7 Kh8 25.Rg3 Qh6 26.Bxf7|
|Dec-31-19|| ||agb2002: The queen x-rays the knight on f6. Therefore, 20.Nh6+:|
A) 20... gxh6 21.Bxf6 and the double threat Qg3# and Bxd8 wins.
B) 20... Kh8 21.Nxf7+ Rxf7 22.Bxf7 wins decisive material (22... Bxe4 23.Qxe4 Nxe4 24.Bxd8; 22... Qd7 23.Bxf6 Qxf7 24.Bxe5 Qxf3 25.gxf3 Bxe5? 26.Rd8#).
|Dec-31-19|| ||ajile: 23.Bxf6 also works but takes a bit longer.|
|Dec-31-19|| ||mel gibson: I didn't see that.
Stockfish 10 says:
(20. Nh6+ (♘f5-h6+ ♔g8-h8 ♘h6xf7+ ♖f8xf7 ♗b3xf7 ♗b7-c6 ♗f7-e6 h7-h6 ♗g5xf6
♕d8xf6 ♕f3xf6 g7xf6 f2-f3 b5-b4 c3xb4 ♗d6xb4 ♖d1-d8+ ♔h8-g7 ♔g1-f2 ♗b4-c5+
♔f2-g3 ♗c5-e7 ♖d8-b8 ♗e7-c5 ♔g3-g4 ♔g7-g6 ♗e6-f5+ ♔g6-f7 ♔g4-h5 ♗c5-f8
♘a3-c4 ♘a7-b5 ♖b8-c8 ♗c6-b7 ♖c8-d8 ♗f8-e7 ♖d8-h8 ♘b5-d4 ♖h8-h7+ ♔f7-e8
♔h5-g6 ♘d4xf5 ♖h7-h8+ ♔e8-d7 ♔g6xf5 ♗b7-c8 ♖h8-h7 ♔d7-d8+ ♔f5-g6 ♗c8-b7)
score for White +6.00 depth 37
|Dec-31-19|| ||Damenlaeuferbauer: After long pondering, my old Serbian friend Milan, who was a famous chemist and was nominated, but not awarded for nobel prize of chemistry, finally found the win of an exchange and a pawn with 20.Nh6+!,Kh8 (20.-,gxh6 21.Bxf6 and mate or loss of the queen) 21.Nxf7+,Rxf7 22.Bxf7. If I had not chosen German literature and language, history, and political sciences 32 years ago, chemistry and chess would have fit excellent together for me.|
I wish ever true and real chess player a happy new decade and a lot of health!
|Dec-31-19|| ||saturn2: After20. Nh6+
20..Kh8 21. Nxf7+ Rxf7 22. Bxf7 white gets an exchange or
20..gxh6 21. Bxf6 Qe8 22. Qg4 the game
|Dec-31-19|| ||Richard Taylor: I got this one wrong also! A good start for the New Year....Such is life.|
I thought that 1. Nxg7 was the ticket but the computer rebuts me on this...
I forgot that the fork on f7 actually wins the exchange. Very clever by Milan.
|Dec-31-19|| ||Andrew Chapman: Nh6+ playable on move 19, and in fact better than the game move according to computer.|
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|Dec-31-19|| ||catlover: Wow. I sure did not see 23. Qxf6 coming. As per comments above, 22...Qa8 was not the best move, but it sure set up a beautiful way to end the game.|
|Dec-31-19|| ||King.Arthur.Brazil: Easy as said: 20.♘h6+ (gxh6 21.♗xf6 win the Black ♕ with ♕xf6 22. ♕xf6, because any other 21...♕ move , 22. ♕g3#).20...♔h8 21.♘xf7+ ♖xf7 (forced to avoid lose the ♕ again), 22.♗xf7. Black could protect him self with 22...♕f8 23.♗xf6 then:|
A- 24...gxf6 24. ♕xf6+ ♕g7 25. ♕d8+ ♗f8 26. ♖d7 ♗xe4 27. ♗g6
♗xg6 28. ♖xg7 ♔xg7 29. ♕xc7+ ♔f6 30. ♕xa7
B- 24...♕xf7 (preferible) 25. ♗xe5 ♔g8 26. ♗xd6 ♕xf3 27. gxf3 cxd6 28. ♖xd6... and black still has a losen position.
However, Black answered in the game 22...♕a8 which allowed the combination 23.♕xf6! (Obviously, 23...gxf6 24.♗xf6#) Black give up, but he could insist with 23...h6.
C- 24. ♕g6 ♗xe4 25. ♕h5 ♗xg2 26. ♗xh6 (gxh6?? 27.♕xh6#) ♗f3 27. ♕g5 ♗f8 28. ♖d8, and ♕h5#.
D- 24.♕e6 ♗xe4 (not hxg5?? 25.♕h3#) 25.♗xh6 (again, gxh6??, 26.♕xh6#), 25...♗xg2 26.♕g6 ♗f8 27.♗g5 with 2 threats: 28.♖d8 and 28.♕h5#, or
E- same line D, with 26...♕f8 27.♗e3 with the threats: 28.♗xa7, 28.♔xg2 and 28.♕h5 end. Happy 2020 everybody!
|Dec-31-19|| ||schachfuchs: Happy New Year everybody & especially to
<Damenläuferbauer> as I am chemist and chessplayer too!
But did everybody know that the new decade begins only Jan. 1, 2021?! The reason is that there is no year 0 !
|Dec-31-19|| ||thegoodanarchist: About 18 years ago, in a tournament in Vermont, I had the pleasure of playing a shot almost exactly like 23.Qxf6!!|
The only difference was my opponent had castled kingside.
I almost started laughing, and had to cover my mouth to avoid doing so.
It was a classical time control, late in the game, and I was very low on time. However, I went on to win.
|Dec-31-19|| ||gawain: It's nice to see another Chessgames.com puzzle featuring Milan Vukcevich. It's a good opportunity to hear anecdotes. Dr. Vukcevich was important to the chess scene in Cleveland, Ohio when I was growing up there.|
The combination is indeed easy and I agree that the win of an exchange leaves White in sufficient command of the game.
|Dec-31-19|| ||Richard Taylor: <schachfuchs: Happy New Year everybody & especially to
<Damenläuferbauer> as I am chemist and chessplayer too!>|
Sounds like a lot of fizz to me!
Happy New Year!
<But did everybody know that the new decade begins only Jan. 1, 2021?! The reason is that there is no year 0 !>
That's what they say, but there is actually a hidden Year Zero, so that theory of it beginning on Jan 1, 2021 is clearly wrong...
|Dec-31-19|| ||zb2cr: For a long while I was trying to make 20. Nxg7 work. Then I noticed that if 20. Nh6+, gxh6??; 21. Bxf6, the Black Queen is under threat and White threatening mate next move. So, Black would have to consent to the loss of the Queen. |
That put a different complexion on it! So I figured Black would play 20. ... Kh8; 21. Nxf7+, Rxf7; 22. Bxf7, Qe7 when White has won the exchange and an Pawn and can consolidate his position with 23. Bd5.
|Dec-31-19|| ||gustavo silva: I found it too hard for a Tuesday.|
|Dec-31-19|| ||schachfuchs: Hm, never heard of a "hidden year zero"?! I only know that they somehow intruduced an "artificial" year 0 for any astronomical calulations...|
|Dec-31-19|| ||schachfuchs: source Deutschlandfunk
Kein neues Jahrzehnt - Es gibt kein Jahr Null
Morgen geht das Jahr 2019 zu Ende. Am Mittwoch beginnt das Jahr 2020. Gefühlt mag das der Anfang eines neuen Jahrzehnts sein. Tatsächlich aber beginnen lediglich die 20er-Jahre, denn das zweite Jahrzehnt endet erst mit dem Jahr 2020 – das hat historische Gründe.
Als der römische Mönch Dionysius Exiguus im sechsten Jahrhundert unsere Art der Jahreszählung einführte, war die Null in Europa noch unbekannt. Folglich gibt es auch kein Jahr 0. Auf das Jahr 1 vor Christus folgt in unserer Geschichtsschreibung das Jahr 1 nach Christus.
Das erste Jahrzehnt war somit erst mit dem Ende des Jahres 10 abgeschlossen. Das erste Jahrhundert endete zu Silvester des Jahres 100. Auch das zweite Jahrtausend hat nicht etwa 1999 aufgehört, sondern erst zu Silvester 2000 – auch wenn das damals kaum jemand hören wollte.
Um astronomische Berechnungen zu erleichtern, gibt es mathematisch sehr wohl ein Jahr 0. Es entspricht dem Jahr 1 vor Christus. Das Jahr -1 ist kalendarisch 2 vor Christus und so weiter.
Die fehlende Null im Kalender sorgt dafür, dass morgen um Mitternacht zwar ein neues Jahr beginnt, aber kein neues Jahrzehnt.
<@Richard Taylor> So, why is that <clearly wrong...>? What is your source?
|Jan-15-20|| ||Richard Taylor: <shachfuchs><@Richard Taylor> So, why is that <clearly wrong...>? What is your source?>|
My 'hidden Zero' was a little joke.
People find all those things about time and dates very difficult and confusing. But some people love to quibble over these things endlessly. I can never work these things out and am not concerned about them.
However, that's what it was, a little satirical piece of joviality with a Zero bouncing around inside it! All the best!
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