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Efim Bogoljubov vs Jose Raul Capablanca
Bad Kissingen (1928), Bad Kissingen GER, rd 9, Aug-21
Queen's Indian Defense: Kasparov Variation (E12)  ·  0-1

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Apr-09-09
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  whiteshark: I wouldn't call it trash.
Apr-29-09  copablanco: "Capablanca was among the greatest of chessplayers,but not because of his endgame play. His trick was to keep his openings simple, and then play with such brilliance in the middle game that the game was decided--even though his opponent didn't always know it-before they arrived at the ending.He was the only great Latin player ever to emerge on the world scene." Bobby Fischer
Apr-29-09  AnalyzeThis: Just another good Bogo slappin' game.
May-17-10  timothee3331: Capablanca once said that you should concentrate on the winner during an analysis so that the logic of his play could penetrate you and help you to get the right frame of mind. Of course, such a way is very useful when studying the endgame. 14...Ke7! gets the King in its right place instead of castling which would be nonsense ! 15....h6! is a very economical move, parrying the positionnal threat of g5 (valorization of the doubled pawns) and the play on the open file while freeing the rook. 16..a6! and 17...Rhb8! give play on the queenside, the king rook is the best one because after the follow-up 18...b5! it avoids cxb5 with the a-Rook on the open file and it forces White to take a decision otherwise black opens the b-file at once. Then Black plays simply while White does nothing but uncoordinated actions and finishes his opponent with 41...Nc5! You should also pay attention to 38..R8c6! a very good move, application of the principle "do not hurry"
May-18-10  FHBradley: The problem with Capablanca's advice is that a won game is not always the logical result of how the winner has conducted the game. No doubt that's how Capablanca wanted to see and have it, but reality offers any number of counter examples.
May-24-10  timothee3331: Well <FHBradley> the interest is just to be able to perform good moves all the time when in practice, and to get the maximum benefit. In practice sometimes, you just have to play and you can't determine the best defence. After all is it really useful ?! Of course when you study defence or when you move further in chess, a more detailed analysis might be needed
Jul-20-10  sevenseaman: Terrific Nc5+. Frankly, I thought about this move quite a lot only to abandon it as foolish. Then Capa actually makes it and Bogo resigns. Further analysis only helped me to feel stupid as I had not been diligent enough.

One would keep on chipping at a strong lookig wall only if one were confident it would lead to opening a hidden door.

Oct-21-10
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  perfidious: <Paladin> Here's a well-known quote: 'When I'm White, I win because I'm White, and when I'm Black, I win because I'm Bogolyubov'.

He was a great tournament player, but in match play, utterly outclassed by the greatest players of the time, which is why Alekhine accepted his challenges in 1929 and 1934. No way AA was going to give Capablanca another go at it.

Jan-20-14  morfishine: Clearly, <25.Nc5> had to be played. If now <25...e5> then White continues <26.a4> trying to close the position with 27.a5

After <26...a5> White continues <27.b3 Na3 28.Rb2> and the ridiculous final position is avoided

Gotta love Bogo though, a real character who soldiered on for another 25 years or so

"I lose with White when I make bad moves against great GM's like Capablanca"

*****

Jan-20-14  offramp: < perfidious: <Paladin> Here's a well-known quote: 'When I'm White, I win because I'm White and when I'm Black, I win because I'm Bogolyubov'.>

Rule number 8 at chessgames.com is that this quote <must> be mentioned at least once every 10 posts in every Bogoljubov game.

Jan-21-14
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  whiteshark: 1st RULE: You do not talk about <Rule number 8>.
Jan-21-14  RookFile: Bogo had a space advantage, then traded pieces at every opportunity, in order to reach an endgame against Capa.

In other words, he pursued an illogical strategy on general principles, in order to play into a strength of his opponent.

Not surprisingly, he lost the game.

May-30-14
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  sleepyirv: Bogged Down
Jul-25-14  kamikazzi: why is this called kasparov variation when the game was played before he was even born????????
Jul-25-14  siggemannen: because Kasparov played and won a lot of games with it completely dominating most of his opponents
Feb-26-17  edubueno: La partida muestra una enorme diferencia de nivel entre un aficionado fuerte y el más grande. Bogo no era un genio, Capa sin dudas SÍ.
Jul-01-18  goser: If the goal of white was a draw, I don't understand 21. f4 and 22. f5. What black would do if white plays b3, keeps its knight on d2 and holds the C line?
Jun-07-19
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  Fusilli: <kamikazzi: why is this called kasparov variation when the game was played before he was even born????????>

This question comes up frequently.

For an analogy, think of the discovery and naming of diseases. People did not start to have, say, multiple sclerosis in 1868, when it was recognized as a distinct disease. Yet, if we figure out, based on historical accounts, that Ben Franklin had MS, we would say that Ben Franklin had MS, even if MS "didn't exist" before 1868. By the same token, if Ben Franklin had all the symptoms of MS but at the time they called that "neuroweirditis", we would switch to call it MS now, not neuroweirditis (Clarification: I made that up. No reason to think BF had MS.)

For a closer example. I see you have no avatar at the moment. If you go ahead and choose one (I think they are for premium members only), CG will insert the avatar in all your posts, including those posted before you chose the avatar... Even if back then your avatar didn't exist!

Jun-07-19
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  keypusher: <Fusilli> Eloquently put! But...I can't see any evidence that Kasparov ever played this variation, with either color.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Whereas the variation in this game, one of Kasparov's great early wins, is called the Andersson Variation.

Kasparov vs Ulf Andersson, 1981

Feb-17-20
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  sleepyirv: <Bogged Down>
Mar-04-20  Gaito: This particular game, despite its relative simplicity and lack of fireworks, was once chosen by former world champion Tigran Petrosian as one of his all-time favorite games. That happened during an interview for a Mexican magazine.
Mar-04-20
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  perfidious: Not hard to believe Petrosian rated this as a favourite game, and one which he would likely not have minded playing himself.
May-16-20  MaczynskiPratten: I'm definitely with Petrosian here! It could be the finest positional game ever played. The genius of Capablanca is shown in how he totally outplays a fellow world championship candidate from an apparently level position at move 14 with queens off and just two rooks and a knight each. By move 19 he has opened the c file and by 23 is dominating it with White's b pawn fixed as a weakness. By 25 he has occupied the strong point c4 and White dare not do the same on c5, nor can his Knight reach the alternative e5. Soon, tactical threats are apparent (30...Nxb2 wins 2 pawns) and by move 35 various mating nets are appearing. Every strategic move is timed tactically, such as the moment of occupying the 7th rank with 35...Rc2 when White cannot swap Rooks. Soon the encirclement is complete and the final artistic touch would be to mate with a pawn by 42...e4# if Bogo hadn't resigned on the previous move. Quiet, but utterly beautiful!
Jun-18-22
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  kingscrusher: Beautiful and reminds me of one of my favorite Michael Adams games where he beat Kasparov in a simul using the light square weaknesses:

Kasparov vs Adams, 1988

Jun-18-22
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  kingscrusher: Objectively it seems as if 24.b3 and White should be able to hold:


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177: Efim Bogoljubov - Jose Raul Capablanca 0-1 9.0, Bad Kissingen 1928


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Analysis by Stockfish 15 - 3 threads max:

1. = (-0.03): 24...d5 25.Nc5 Ne5+ 26.dxe5 Rxc5 27.Rhc1 Rac8 28.Rxc5 Rxc5 29.Rf1 a5 30.Kd2 Rc6 31.Rf4 Ra6 32.Kd3 Ra8 33.Rd4 Rc8 34.Kd2 Rf8 35.Kd3 f6 36.fxe6 Kxe6 37.exf6

In the game continuation it seems as though the White king, Knight and g4 pawn become tactical liabilities celebrating basically black's positional pressure build up.

24.b3 and it seems a real challenge for black to get something concrete as an advantage

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if Na5 even Rhb1:


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And white is a tough nut to crack here

If say Rc7 to try for pressure build up:

177: Efim Bogoljubov - Jose Raul Capablanca 0-1 9.0, Bad Kissingen 1928


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Analysis by Stockfish 15 - 3 threads max:

1. = (0.00): 25...d5 26.Nc5 e5 27.Ra2 Rc7 28.Rc2 Kf6 29.e4 exd4 30.exd5 Ke5 31.f6 g6 32.d6 Kxd6 33.Ne4+ Kd7 34.Nc5+ Kd6

Capablanca's analysis advice was good :

" <timothee3331> : Capablanca once said that you should concentrate on the winner during an analysis so that the logic of his play could penetrate you and help you to get the right frame of mind."

Good advice for it's time but we can now (with engines) kind of scientifically dissect where real mistakes are made - and then try and understand why they are mistakes.

It seems there is a lesson here at least to me - that in a position of discomfort, try to minimise the tactical liabilities - so the dog's bark is worse than it's bite rather than the other way round.

Okay black did generate Queenside play but if White was slightly more tactically solid, it may have been tenable.

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