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Vasily Smyslov vs Mikhail Botvinnik
Botvinnik - Smyslov World Championship Match (1957), Moscow URS, rd 10, Mar-28
Spanish Game: Closed Variations. Chigorin Defense (C98)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Mar-20-08  Knight13: Dude screw this game it reminds me of that day when I beat that kid up after school because he stole my homework notebook that was worth 20% of my grade and made me get 0 on it!!
Mar-20-08  InspiredByMorphy: <Knight13> You are far more likely to get the responses you seek when providing analysis and taking out all the other fluff. If you only spoke analysis and kept your opinions brief, you would find more people willing to discuss games with you. You shouldn't just leave messages to leave messages, it is more or less graffiti at that point.
Mar-20-08  Knight13: <InspiredByMorphy> <You are far more likely to get the responses you seek when providing analysis and taking out all the other fluff.> True, though I never thought about that much about people responding to my posts since barely anyone does anyway. I won the "Ignored By Most Users" award 3 years straight.

<If you only spoke analysis and kept your opinions brief, you would find more people willing to discuss games with you.> I don't know, I barely go into intensive analysis on any game. But what you said is right.

<You shouldn't just leave messages to leave messages> I just like to kibitz on every game I go over.

Mar-20-08  InspiredByMorphy: <Knight13> Liking to kibitz on every game is fine, but provide at least some analysis to help your yourself see if your thoughts withstands the test of time. Often times the variations don't due to stronger defences being found among other things. Learning is what its all about and analysis will help show you that better than some of the fluff. Sometimes less is more.
Mar-21-08  mistreaver: < InspiredByMorphy> that is what i tryed to explain to him. Check Botvinnik vs Smyslov, 1957
Mar-21-08  Knight13: And unlike many kibitzers here I don't use computers and I find analyzing these games which are so beyond my level to be a bit too over my head, though I do try to do it sometimes if something catches my eye.

I could kibitz a bunch of games in a row if I just pull these up on my Deep Junior and then put on its kibitz mode and fly the game and watch it catch mistakes and post, but I never liked doing that and never will.

Mar-21-08  mistreaver: <I could kibitz a bunch of games in a row if I just pull these up on my Deep Junior and then put on its kibitz mode> Yes but if you don't wanna do that you shouldn't kibitz at all instead of writing senseless posts that don't help anyone
Sep-15-13  zydeco: There's a wonderful story ab this variation -- from <call me TC> on the page for Fischer-Kholmov 1965.

Note that it's Smyslov who shows Kholmov the key idea -- 16....c4 and .... Nd4 in place of 16....g6 -- when Kholmov's blotto at a hotel bar in Havana.

Does white, in this game, have a breakthrough somewhere around move 30? I was looking at ideas with h5 and then a piece sacrifice on g5 with either knight or bishop after black plays ....g5, but nothing seems to work.

32.Bxc5 (instead of 32.b3) seems to play into black's hands -- and dissolve white's dominating position. Apparently Smyslov just didn't see anything better.

May-08-16  zydeco: By the way, Smyslov was probably hoping for 34....Nc4 35.Ba4! when the position can get messy: 35....Nd6 36.Bxd6 Nxd6 37.Reb2 Bxd5 38.exd5 Qxd5 39.Bxb5 or 35....Bxd5 36.Rxb5

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