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|Jul-09-04|| ||Impala03: really Jon really... what were you thinking damnit |
|Jul-09-04|| ||AlexKearns: I think that after 37 Rxf4, ...Nxf4 is better than ...Bxf4+. Black is now threatening Nxg2+ winning the bishop or Nd3+ winning the queen. There is no way of defending both. 37...Bxf4+ gives the white king f2 to flee to. |
|Jul-09-04|| ||EyesofBlue: Man, I totally missed this one. I had a nice little streak going before yesterday and today!
<ajit: If only somebody could hint that I got to play and win, it would become so much simpler knowing that end is near.> I totally agree... if sometime could just whisper to me "mate-in-6" every time I was actually mate-in-6, I would be a chess "rock star"!!! |
|Jul-09-04|| ||kevin86: Nice mating combination! I wasn't looking past the forking possibilities. Ironically,the fork was played-but only trivial to the combination.
MB played some great chess-and was underrated in the history of the game. I'm just wondering if he could have beaten Alekhine,if the latter's death had not intervened. I think so! |
|Jul-09-04|| ||Fulkrum: Ajit, I have to agree with you. I can't count how many times I had a superior position and missed the winning move. Maybe I should get rid of Fritz and embrace blissful ignorance. Alas, after much soul-searching (and wondering if I should just give this game up) I suspect it is just a matter of experience and I will keep playing and reading and playing...... |
|Jul-09-04|| ||dac1990: Botvinnik's last game in the database is Botvinnik vs Sargon, 1983 |
|Jul-09-04|| ||chessgames.com: We fixed the date of this game; thanks Ray and Benzol. |
|May-05-07|| ||notyetagm: <Honza Cervenka: Good performance of old Botvinnik with a pretty finish. If 37.Ke2, then 37...Ng3+ and 38...Qc1#.>|
Yes, a beautiful finish by Botvinnik.
|Sep-23-11|| ||Xeroxx: exotic game|
|Aug-03-13|| ||KlingonBorgTatar: Botvinnik's rook's movements along the fourth rank reminds me of a Xiang Qi (Chinese chess) opening where a rook patrols it's side of the river. Can't help but also be reminded of Lasker's meandering rook on the 4th rank in a game vs Tarrasch. That rook was given up as a desperado sacrifice or swindle that won the day. Here, Botvinnik's rook had a lot of purposeful aims ( attacking/ dispacing the queen, etc etc) and after tiring of it's journey, sacrifices itself to effect checkmate!! Brillant tactics but more brillant strategy. This is Botvinnik!!|
p.s. Some decades ago, a friend told me of a Tal game where his rook had a lot of consecutive moves and in the end sac'd itself to win. Is there such a game or was it all analyses? Perhaps this was the game and was not Tal's afterall.
|Mar-03-18|| ||ChessHigherCat: By Jove, I think I got it, but I had to use a virtual board:|
35. Rdf1 Rxe3+ 36. Kxe3 Bh6+ 37. Ke2 Ng3+ 38. Kd1 Qc1#
|Mar-03-18|| ||al wazir: Easy -- much easier than yesterday's.|
|Mar-03-18|| ||patzer2: Though not as strong as Botvinnik's brilliant 35...Rxe3+!! 36. Kxe3 Bh6+! -+ (-23.44 @ 28 ply, Stockfish 8), my 35...Bh6 -+ (-10.20 @ 28 ply, Stockfish 8) attempt at today's Saturday (35...?) puzzle is an alternative winning solution.|
P.S.: White has the advantage until 17. Be3?! axb5 = (0.00 @ 33 ply, Stockfish 8). Instead, 17. bxa6 Qb6 18. a4 ± (+1.00 @ 29 ply, Stockfish 8) maintains White's extra pawn advantage.
Black gains a slight advantage after 21. Rc2?! e4 ⩱ (-0.35 @ 32 ply, Stockfish 8). Instead, 21. Bd1 Rb8 22. Bd3 = (0.00 @ 32 ply, Stockfish 8) holds it level.
Black's advantage increases significantly after 23. Rfc1?! Nxe3 ∓ (-1.09 @ 28 ply, Stockfish 8). Instead, 23. Bd4 ⩱ (-0.46 @ 30 ply, stockfish 8) improves the second player's survival chances.
Black's game goes from bad to clearly lost after 29. gxh5? Rxh5 -+ (-2.57 @ 31 ply, Stockfish 8). Instead, 29. Bxe4 Rg5 30. Bf3 ∓ to -+ (-1.70 @ 33 ply) offers practical drawing chances as the win becomes much more difficult for Black after 29. Bxe4.
|Mar-03-18|| ||wtpy: Al wazir, I agree. Yesterday I was totally off track, didnt solve at bedtime, and stayed off track in the morning, even with the aid of coffee. Saw this quickly and completely. One of the things that makes this a simpler problem is that once the solution is glimpsed there are not any side variations,providing blind alleys to stumble down. The moves are all forced.|
|Mar-03-18|| ||alphee: Strange, I got two in a row that were ranked "not so easy", may be because after the 1st move is selected there few options left ...|
|Mar-03-18|| ||Dionysius1: I agree <alphee>. The moves were easy to find. Just amazing they work. If the position was chosen by some algorithm I'd say that was a flaw in it - someone hasn't programmed it to distinguish between unusual and hard to find.|
|Mar-03-18|| ||sudoplatov: I got the first two moves then didn't look any further. I avoided 35...Bh6 due to 36,Rxf7+ trading two Rooks for Queen and Pawn but I didn't follow that either. So though in a pick-move-contest, I'd have got the first two moves, I don't count myself as "solving" the puzzle.|
|Mar-03-18|| ||malt: Went for 35...R:e3+! 36.K:e3 Qg3+ 37.Ke2 Qd3+ 38.Ke1
had a choice of 38...B:d4/...Ng3/...Rc7...e3
as far as I got.
Had set the board up wrong with a W/pawn on g5 (sleepy)missing ...Bh6+
|Mar-03-18|| ||mel gibson: I chose 35...BxN
and according to Stockfish 8 it's winning:
(35. .. Bxd4 36. Qxd4 (♕b4xd4 f7-f5 ♕d4xd5
♕c7-c2+ ♕d5-d2 ♕c2-c4+ ♔e2-e1 b5-b4 a3xb4 ♖b7-a7 ♕d2-c3 ♕c4-b5 ♕c3-d4
♖a7-d7 ♕d4-c3 f5-f4 ♖f2xf4 ♕b5-d5 ♕c3-d4 ♕d5xd4 e3xd4 ♘h5xf4 ♖f1xf4 ♖g3xg2
♖f4xe4 ♖g2xb2 b4-b5 ♖b2xb5 ♔e1-d2 ♔h7-h6 h3-h4 ♖b5-b3 ♔d2-c2 ♖b3-h3 ♔c2-d2
♔h6-h5 ♖e4-e5+ ♔h5xh4) -5.62/31 69)
score for White -5.62 depth 31.
However Stockfish chose the best move as per the text:
35.... Rxe3+ (35. .. Rxe3+ (♖g3xe3+ ♔e2-d1 ♖e3-d3+
♖f2-d2 ♗g7xd4 h3-h4 ♗d4-c5 ♖d2xd3 ♗c5xb4 ♖d3-h3 ♘h5-f4 h4-h5 ♘f4xh3 h5xg6+
f7xg6 ♖f1-h1 ♕c7-f4 ♔d1-c2 ♕f4-f2+ ♔c2-b1 ♕f2xg2 ♖h1-d1 ♕g2-e2 ♖d1-h1
♕e2-f3 ♖h1-c1 ♗b4-d2 ♖c1-c8 ♕f3-f1+ ♔b1-a2 e4-e3 b2-b3 e3-e2 ♖c8-e8 e2-e1♕
♖e8xe1 ♕f1xe1) +26.37/30 119)
score for Black +26.37 depth 30
|Mar-03-18|| ||botvinnik64: Wow! Very easy for a Saturday puzzle - what else to play other than 35...Rxe3! (??).
My namesake could play a little chess...|
|Mar-03-18|| ||malt: 35...R:e3+ 36.K:e3 Bh6+ 37.Rf4 N:f4 38.R:f4 Q:f4+ 39.Ke2 Qe3+ 40.Kf1 Rb6 41.Qe7 Q:d4 42.Q:f7+ Bg7 43.Ke1 |
(43.Ke2 Qd3+ 44.Kf2 [44.Ke1 Qe3+ 45.Kd1 Rc6 ]44...Rf6+/44...e3+ )
43...Qe3+ 44.Kf1 Rc6
|Mar-03-18|| ||agb2002: Black is one pawn ahead.
The white king is the only defender of e3. This suggests 35... Rxe3+ 36.Kxe3 (36.Kd1 loses a second pawn and 36.Kd2 Rd3+ loses also the knight) 36... Bh6+ 37.Rf4 (37.Ke2 Ng3+ 38.Kd(e)1 Qc1#) 37... Nxf4:
A) 38.Rxf4 Qxf4+ 39.Ke2 Qe3+ followed by Rc7, - + [r+2p vs N].
B) 38.Kd(f)2 Nd3+ wins the queen for the knight.
C) 38.Qc3 Nxg2+ wins decisive material.
D) 38.Nxb5 Nd3+ and mate soon (39.Kd4 Qe5#; 39.Ke2 Qc2+ 40.Qd2 Qxd2#; 39.Rf4 Bxf4+, etc.).
|Mar-03-18|| ||landshark: Without trying to calculate all the options that follow, my choice is ....Qc4+. White's position seems to be about to collapse and Black has lots of flexibility.|
|Mar-03-18|| ||landshark: Oh well - totally missed the Bh6 idea. I guess I'll go search for my missing frontal lobes - they've got to be around here somewhere!|
|Mar-03-18|| ||stst: some opening lines, but one looks more promising. choices include:35.....RxP+, Nf4+, BxN, RxB. The first two sets some tempo, and the first one is more worthwhile:
36.KxR (if not taking, the e4P will exert tremendous pressure by supporting this R and advancing) Qg4+ is thundering
37.Bf3 (if again K flees, it's even more devastating than the R before, it's Q now ) then Qf4+ (centered around, supported by h5N)
38.Ke2 (forced this time) Ng3+ sets the stage.... now some variation, see how K flees, one example
39.Ke1 (Kd1 also got reasons) Rc7 (no capturing, just maintain the pressure) d2 now is eye of the storm, have to guard it, if Qd2, after Rc1+, Q gone
40.Rd2 still Rc1+
41.Kf2 (if Rd1 intervenes, then NxR, White has choice of RxR or KxN, either one invites the Q right a way) e3+ (still no capture... some beauty)
42.Kg1/2, doesnt matter, exR and White is stymied...rest easy
..of course my own-created story, real thing... see...
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