chessgames.com
Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing
Yasser Seirawan vs Walter Shawn Browne
"c4 Yourself" (game of the day Jun-27-2009)
Masters Open (1979), Berkeley USA
English Opening: King's English Variation. Three Knights System General (A27)  ·  0-1

ANALYSIS [x]

FEN COPIED

Click Here to play Guess-the-Move
Given 26 times; par: 23 [what's this?]

explore this opening
find similar games 8 more Seirawan/Browne games
sac: 16...Qxc4+ PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: Help with kibitzing features can be found on our Kibtizing Help Page.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.
PREMIUM MEMBERS CAN REQUEST COMPUTER ANALYSIS [more info]

A COMPUTER ANNOTATED SCORE OF THIS GAME IS AVAILABLE.  [CLICK HERE]

Kibitzer's Corner
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 5 OF 5 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Sep-14-12  galdur: I see now that Bxb5+ is a bone of contention. It´s not a bad move at all and should be easily winning, just Nxb5 is better. For efficient execution here the point of denying white´s king the c3 square is important.
Sep-14-12  scormus: <sevenseaman ... I see little point in continuing being active on the site>

I'm sure a certain colleague is in a minimalist minority in his view, perhaps is not one he would adhere to on another day. But I for one am not prepared to accept your last remark as a <serious> intention of yours to depart the forum.

BTW, well done today in finding the best line that most of us missed.

Sep-14-12  rapidcitychess: Very pleased with myself for catching this. I saw that king in his kennel, and decided to take him for a walk.
Sep-14-12  mworld: <LoveThatJoker: <FSR> I think you're adressing something of importance here when making mention of <sevenseaman>'s solution post today. It is clear that he has an uncanny/unnatural knack for finding the exact game continuations.

>

Dinesh D'Souza, hey buddy is that you?!

Sep-14-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Once: <sevenseaman> It reminds me of one of my favourite scenes from Groundhog Day...

<Phil: Do you ever have déjà vu, Mrs. Lancaster?

Mrs. Lancaster: I don't think so, but I could check with the kitchen.>

Your contributions to this site are invaluable, witty, enjoyable, fun. Please ignore the "noises off".

Sep-14-12  Marmot PFL: <I have always attempted the puzzles honestly. I spent may be 2 1/2 hours today in arriving at the solution.>

That's very discouraging to those of us with ADD.

Sep-14-12  Abdel Irada: <sevenseaman>: I sincerely hope you don't mean to leave the site. Your contributions here are appreciated, and there is no objective reason to doubt that you arrive at your puzzle solutions honestly and with much hard work, like the vast majority of members of this site.

It is in no sense odd or suspicious that you have arrived at the correct ...♘xb5! line when others, including myself, did not. What it implies is only this: Where most of us were content to find a line that won, you took the trouble to look deeper, and found a line that crushed.

For this you deserve, and hereby receive, my congratulations. Keep up the good work.

Sep-14-12  Abdel Irada: <perfidious>: To be fair, I also want to make clear that there is no doubt in my mind that <LTJ> is an honest solver as well, as evidenced by his posting his solution — warts and all — before checking anyone else's analysis or the game continuation.

I do think <LTJ> has an extremely strong competitive streak, which sometimes leads him into posting rash statements, which I suspect he later regrets. I can only hope that all parties will henceforth think carefully before uttering condemnations of other members.

Sep-14-12  galdur: Officially n0w and Nice - I am now out of here forever,
Sep-14-12  James D Flynn: In my post earlier today I mentioned 16.---Rb4 as an alternative to 16….Qxc4+ without analyzing it further. I have since seen the game in wich Qxc4+ was played, Browne apparently likes excitement. After 16.Rb4 Whitewhich cannot take on d4 with either B or N because Qxc4+ simply wins a piece. 16….Rb4 17.Bb3 Ba6+ 18.Kd2 Bxe2(if f4 19.Bxd4 Bxd4 20.Nxd4 Qxd4+ 21.Kc2 The position is greatly simplified and fairly equally) 19.Nxe2 Nxb3+ 20.hxb3 Qxd5+ 21.Ke1 Qxb3 22.Qxb3 Rxb3 23.Bxa7 Rxb2 Black is 2 pawns up in a complicated endgame.
Sep-14-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  agb2002: I have seen this position but don't remember where.

The material is equal.

White threatens Nxd4.

The position of the white king invites to play 16... Qxc4+ 17.Kxc4 (17.Kd2 Nxe2 drops a piece) 17... Ba6+ 18.Nb5 (18.Kc5 d6#) 18... Bxb5+ 19.Kc3 (19.Kb4 Bxe2+ - +; 19.Kc5 d6+ 20.Kb4 Bxe2+ - +) 19... Bxe2:

A) 20.Qc1(d2) Nb3+ 21.Bd4 Bxd4+ and 22... Nxc1 - +.

B) 20.Qe1(g1) Nxf3+ 21.Bd4 Bxd4+ and 22... Nxe1(g1) - +.

C) 20.Qb1 Nxf3+ 21.Kc2 Rxb2+ 22.Qxb2 Bxb2 23.Kxb2 Nh4 - + [2N+2P vs R].

D) 20.Qa4 Bb5 (20... Nb3+ 21.Kc2 Nxa1+ 22.Rxa1 Rxb2+ 23.Kc1 Ne7 is not so clear) 21.Qd1 (21.Qa5(7) Nc6+) 21... Nxf3+ 22.Kc2 Be2 23.Qxe2 Rxb2+ 24.Kd1 Rxe2 25.Kxe2 Bxa8 26.Rxa8 Nh4 - + [2N+2P vs B].

E) 20.Bxd4 Bxd1 21.Bxg7 Rh7 - +.

Sep-14-12  stst: Difficult, make a try... or else lingering for too long... 16.... QxB+
IF (A)17.KxQ Ba6+, 18.Kc5 d6#
so the Q cannot be captured, and
IF (B)17.Kd2 RxP+, then
if (B1)18.Ke1 RxN+, 19.NxR Nc2+, 20.Kf1 NxB+, 21.Kg1 NxQ, 22.RxN QxN and White can resign without much left. But if (B2)18.Kc1 NxN+, 19.KxR BxN+, 20.Kb1 BxR, 21.KxB Nc3, and again White is down heavy in materials. Yet Black still got a long game for it's other R and B aren't quite mobilized. See how the actual game plays out...
Sep-14-12  stst: it's to my surprise that White actually takes the Q and got into a defense line much shorter than the one I propose.
Sep-14-12  rapidcitychess: <sevenseaman>

Please do not be offended by one person, as you can tell, no one (but one) suspects you for anything. I enjoy reading your analysis for its readability and clarity.

Take my "Don't be offended" in your bag.

Sep-14-12  francis2012: Gotet again! {1. ...Qxc4+ 2. Kxc4 Ba6+ 3. Nb4 (Kc5 d6+#) Bxb4+ 4. Kc3 (Kb4 Bxe2+, wins the Q and Black has a material advantage) Bxe2 and so on and so forth, Black wins.
Sep-14-12  M.Hassan: "Difficult"
Black to play 16...?
Equal

Taking the Bishop may have some future:

16............Qxc4+
17.Kxc4 Ba6+
18.Kc5 Nf6
19.Bxd4 Nd7+
20.Kc6 Rb6#
That shows on move 19.Bxd4 is not a favourable move, so I rewind back to the end of move 18

18...........Nf6
19.Qa4 Nc2
20.Nd4 Nd7+
21.Qxd7+ Kxd7
22.Nxc2 Rxb2
23.Nd4 Bf8
24.Nxf5 e6+
25.Kd4 exf5
26.Rab1 Bg7+
27.Kc5 Bxc3
Now Black is a whole Bishop up.
Time to check

Sep-15-12  Mendrys: <Abdel Irada> Thanks for that. That was indeed silly and unfair innuendo that I hope will be forgotten. <sevenseaman> has always been one of the good guys.
Sep-15-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: <sevenseaman> I echo the comments of <perfidious>, <TheFocus>, <Once>, <Tiggler>, <scormus>, <Abdel Irada>, etc. <LTJ> seems to get <way> too emotionally invested in comparing his "scores" to others. GOTD is for fun and, one hopes, improving one's chess; it is not a competition.
Sep-15-12  SimonWebbsTiger: @<FSR>

I can vouch for that. LTJ once requested I delete a post which pointed out an error in his analysis. Ermmm, say what, right? I didn't. Must have irked him to show and be known he isn't fallible.

btw: LTJ -- desist with your stupid GUESS THE MOVE spam and absolutely cringe worthy self-scoring of problems. Let us pass scores and see if you get 7/7, a pat on the head and a reason to wag your tail in anticipation of a dog biscuit. Us doing the scoring is objective, innit?

Sep-15-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Once: <SimonWebbsTiger> I know what you mean, but I wouldn't have put it quite the same way...

We all approach this site in different ways. That's one of its strengths and the reason that so many of us are here. As long as we stick by the basic rules, surely the trick is to tolerate the differences between us?

So while I might not like <LTJ>'s way of telling us how wonderful he is, I'll defend his right to post in whatever way he wants as long as it stays within the rules.

But that's the rub, isn't it? Staying within the rules. Especially rule 3 - no personal attacks against other users. That's the bit that <LTJ> doesn't seem to understand. He waged a mini campaign against me recently and now he's had a pop at <sevenseaman>.

But I don't think that means that we should break rule 3 ourselves in responding to him. That's how flame wars start, and this site has had too many of those in the past. We need to be better than that.

Sep-17-12  Moonwalker: Thanks <SimonWebbsTiger>
Sep-19-12  chesssantosh: i have met sevenseaman personally.he is a very nice and honest guy.he is also a 'crazy' fan of chess puzzle.he almost carries on solving puzzle all day long .i was really impressed by the way he approached every puzzle, patiently calculating every variation no matter how long it takes.he is a chess genius,in fact.

i really condemn on lovethatjoker's baseless accusation against him.well funny thing is that he does not even have a chess engine installed on his laptop!

Nov-15-14  blackburne: Partida jugada en Berkeley, según la revista Jaque nº 87
Apr-10-16  sreeskamp: A lot of kibitzing around the bush. To my modest opinion this one of the most spectacular games in the database.
Jul-07-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  woldsmandriffield: What I like about this game is that Seirawan’s 10 Kd2 tried to win the Black Queen. Browne’s opposing strategy can be summarised as “Well, if that makes you happy...”
Jump to page #    (enter # from 1 to 5)
search thread:   
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 5 OF 5 ·  Later Kibitzing>

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
  3. No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
  6. No trolling.
  7. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

Blow the Whistle

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.


NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific game only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

This game is type: CLASSICAL. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

Featured in the Following Game Collections[what is this?]
1.3.1 13/39 l30 #470 16....?
from * CT-ART by takchess
Browne's brilliant Queen sham sacrifice 16... Qxc4!!
from A B C Players of Yesteryear by fredthebear
Arcturus' favorite games
by Arcturus
c4 Yourself
from Favorite Names by Mayoigo2
attacking lessons
by isfsam
ervindr's Favorite games
by ervindr
64idi0t's flank_&_english_3
by 64idi0t
King's English. Three Knights System (A27) 0-1 c4 yourself!
from yFredthebear Heard England Speak by fredthebear
perfidious' favourite combinative ideas
by perfidious
Queen sac makes active King change into hunted king!
from MJCB likes those games by MJCB
English Opening: King's English Variation.
from MKD's Favourite Games by MKD
King's English. Three Knights System (A27) 0-1 c4 yourself!
from Basic Foodfight Recipe Catered by Fredthebear by mneuwirth
1.3.1 13/39 l30 #470 16....?
from * CT-ART by mneuwirth
King's English. Three Knights System (A27) 0-1 c4 yourself!
from yFredthebear's Knights Add Spice III by trh6upsz
a27
from favorite games according to opening a00-a99 by mirage
27 - c4 Yourself (chessbug)
from Get Thee to a Punnery! by Memorable Quotes
Browne's brilliant Queen sham sacrifice 16... Qxc4!!
from yDiagonals Attack: Bs Highway, Battery, Crossfir by trh6upsz
English
by ALL

Home | About | Login | Logout | F.A.Q. | Profile | Preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | New Kibitzing | Chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | Privacy Notice | Contact Us

Copyright 2001-2020, Chessgames Services LLC