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Rudolf Spielmann vs Edgar Colle
"Colle the Wild" (game of the day Sep-13-2016)
Dortmund (1928), Dortmund GER, rd 9, Aug-04
Alekhine Defense: Four Pawns Attack. Trifunovic Variation (B03)  ·  0-1



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Dec-16-09  Halfpricemidge: Perhaps Spielmann should have sacrificed the exchange 21.Rxe5, excellent game.
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Colle plays a curious gambit at move 17 with ...b7-b5. After White accepts, probably best, Black can play ...Bd6 and not worry about either c4-c5 or Na4-c3-b5. But while Black secures the d6 square for his Bishop, he doesn't do it with a vacating sacrifice of the sort that Spielmann describes in The Art of Sacrifice in Chess. So Colle's sacrifice isn't the same as in Spielmann vs Janowski, 1907, to give an example from the book.

Does this mean that Colle pulled off a sacrifice that Spielmann didn't know about?

Sep-13-16  AlicesKnight: Not often Spielmann is outplayed in a tactical mix-up, and by the strategist Colle....
Sep-13-16  piltdown man: <Perfidious> I didn't know thunder was visible?
Sep-13-16  Cheapo by the Dozen: If there were a version of the Colle System for Black, this is what it might look like.
Sep-13-16  kevin86: Black's pieces come to the attack for a quick win.
Sep-13-16  Conrad93: The pun should say "The Colle of the Wild."
Sep-13-16  JohnBoy: <piltdown> - Thunderbolt = lightening. Usually visible.
Sep-13-16  RandomVisitor: By 23...Qh4 black arguably has a winning position.

Better for white was 22.Nc5 with a white advantage.

Sep-14-16  piltdown man: <JohnBoy> No, thunder and lightning are two different things. Thunder is the sound, and lightning (as the name implies), the light. You can't see thunder.
Sep-14-16  RandomVisitor: After 21...f4

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<+0.38/44 22.Nc5> f3 23.g3 Qf6 24.Ne6 Nxd3 25.Qxd3 Qxb2 26.Rxf3 Rxf3 27.Qxf3 Qxb5 28.Qe4 Re8 29.Rb1 Qd7 30.Kg2 a5 31.Rb7 Qf7 32.a4 Qf6 33.Rb3 Qa1 34.Rf3 g6 35.Kh3 Qe5 36.Qxe5 Bxe5 37.Re3 Bd6 38.Rc3 Kf7 39.Rc6 Rc8 40.Kg4 Kf6 41.Nxc7 Rxc7 42.Rxd6+ Ke5 43.Rc6 Rd7 44.Kg5 Kxd5 45.Ra6 Ke4 46.Rxa5 Rd2 47.h3 Kf3 48.g4 Kg3 49.Ra7 Rd5+ 50.Kh6 Kxh3 51.g5 Kg4 52.a5

Sep-15-16  drleper: <piltdown man: <JohnBoy> No, thunder and lightning are two different things. Thunder is the sound, and lightning (as the name implies), the light. You can't see thunder.>

Literally, a thunderbolt means "a flash of lightning, especially when close enough for a simultaneous clap of thunder to be heard".

Metaphorically, it's something that strikes suddenly and violently.

So you can see literal thunderbolts, and you can see metaphorical ones too (since they point to something concrete; like a surprising and powerful chess move).

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  perfidious: Dang, look what Ah started eleven years ago!
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  perfidious: Dang, look what Ah started eleven years ago!
Sep-16-16  piltdown man: <perfidious> And you thought you'd forgotten!
Sep-16-16  drleper: 27...Kf7
Sep-17-16  JohnBoy: <piltdown> - you must have been thinking of thunderclap. A lack of familiarity with english can be forgiven, but not an inability to google.

Sep-23-16  piltdown man: <JohnBoy> If this is the case, sir, then please tell me why the great Freddie Mercury - whose familiarity with English, I'm sure you will agree, far exceeded our pitiful grasp - sang of "Thunderbolts and lightning", if they are one and the same? You are surely not accusing the immortal Freddie of the sin of tautology, I hope? You should hang your head in shame, sir.
Oct-30-17  benderules: After 18.cxb5 white is two pawns up and
aparently there is no compensation. A few moves later and without any obvious error black is winning. The game won the brilliancy price of the tournament.
Apr-23-20  Marcelo Bruno: The Brazilian ex-champion included it as the fourth illustrative game for beginners in his "Iniciação ao xadrez" (Initiation to chess), but I feel its concepts are (very) hard for beginners. Other openings he includes: Queen's Gambit Declined (first game), Philidor's Defense (second game), French Defense - C13 (third game) and Queen's Gambit Declined - D59 (fifth game), these not easy at all for beginners.
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  kerpa: Discussed by John Watson on p.33 in the section on queenside minority success, in Secrets of Modern Chess Strategy. Much better, and disagreements with the computer?s annotations. For example, Watson gives 17?b5 an exclam and clearly explains why.
Sep-13-21  DouglasGomes: 17... b6 18. Qd2 Bd6 blockades White's majority and Black is clearly better (SF -1.39 d40)

17... b5? gives up a pawn and later White had chances to even the game, just good for style points

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  louispaulsen88888888: If you leave Stockfish on long enough, it prefers 17…Bd6.

1) -1.26 (47 ply) 17...Bd6 18.c5 Be5 19.Qf2 Qg5 20.Bb5 Rad8 21.Rad1 Qh6 22.g3 f4 23.Bxd7 Rxd7 24.Qf3 Rf6 25.g4 Qh4 26.Kh1 Rh6 27.Rd2 Qg3 28.Nc3 Rh4 29.Ne4 Qxg4 30.Qxg4 Rxg4 31.Rf3 h6 32.h3 Rh4 33.Kg2 g5 34.d6 Kf7 35.b4 cxd6 36.Nxd6+ Ke6 37.Re2 g4 38.hxg4 Rg7 39.Kf2 Rh2+ 40.Ke1 Rxe2+ 41.Kxe2 Bxd6 42.cxd6 Rxg4 43.Rh3 Rg2+ 44.Kf3 Rg3+ 45.Rxg3 fxg3 46.Kxg3 Kxd6 47.a4 Kc7

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You can see thunder

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  fredthebear: I see.

"Lightning strikes the Earth more than 4 million times a day," said Maher Dayeh, a research scientist at the Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio.

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