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Andre Lilienthal vs Erich Eliskases
Ujpest (1934), Ujpest HUN, rd 2, May-03
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Saemisch Variation. Accelerated (E24)  ·  1-0

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Jul-13-21  Brenin: 41 Rxg8+ Kxg8 (41 ... Bxg8 42 Qxh6+ Bh7 43 Qg7 mate, or 41 ... Kh7 42 Qg6 mate) 42 Qg6+ Kf8 (42 ... Kh8 43 Qg7 mate) 43 Bc5 mate.
Jul-13-21
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  drollere: 41. Rxg8+ and:
41. .. Kh7, 42. Nf6#
or 41. .. Kxg8, 42. Qg6+ and
42. .. Kf8, 43. Bc5#
42. .. Kh8, 43. Qg7#
the hard part:
41. Rxg8+ Bxg8, 42. e6+ Kh7, 43. Qxf5#
Jul-13-21
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  Honza Cervenka: 31...Qa2 was a mistake. 31...Qa4 32.Nd6 Rb8 33.Rg6 Qd7 was a better chance to survive in the position.
Jul-13-21  Cheapo by the Dozen: The basic plan is

41 Rxg8+
42 Queen checks
43 Qg7++

The only way to stop that particular mate is the game line, in which Black gets mated just as quickly in a different way.

Jul-13-21  Walter Glattke: 41.Qg6? Rxh3+ 42.Kxh3 Qh1# / 41.Rxg7+ Kxg7 42.Qg6 Kf8 43.Bc5#/ 42.-Kh8 43.Qg7# / 41.-Bxg8 42.Qxh6+ Bh7 43.Qg7# /ah, drollere, 41.-Kh7 42.Nf6# fine! and 41.-Bxg8 42.e6+ Kh7 43.Qxf5#
Jul-13-21  Pedro Fernandez: This puzzle Is not even ``Very Easy''. About 15 sec is sufficient. Of course, if you see from the starting white bishop control of f8-square.
Jul-13-21
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  al wazir: What if black accepts the ♘ sac: 26...gxf8 27. exf6 Rf7. Now what?
Jul-13-21
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  keypusher: <
Premium Chessgames MemberJul-13-21 al wazir: What if black accepts the ♘ sac: 26...gxf8 27. exf6 Rf7. Now what?>

28.Qxh7+

Jul-13-21
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  al wazir: Note that in the puzzle position black was threatening 41...Rxh3+ and 42. Qh1#. So white's next move had to be a check, and he had to keep checking.
Jul-13-21
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  agb2002: Black threatens Rxh3+ and mate next.

White can force mate with 41.Rxg8+:

A) 41... Kxg8 42.Qg6+ Kf8 (42... Kh8 43.Qg7#) 43.Bc5#.

B) 41... Bxg8 42.e6+ (or 42.Qxh6+ Bh7 43.Qg7#) 42... Kh7 43.Qxf5#.

C) 41... Kh7 42.Qg6#.

Jul-13-21
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  al wazir: <keypusher: 28.Qxh7+>. Very nice. Thanks.
Jul-13-21  Refused: 41.Rxg8+ Kxg8 42.Qg6+ Kf8 43.Bc5#

Is the main line.
The alternatives are
42...Kh8 43.Qg7#
41...Bxg8 42.Qh6+Bh7 43.Qg7#
41...Kh7 42.Nf6#

Jul-13-21  saturn2: It has to be a check. Rxg8 and both Kxg8 and Bxg8 lead to mate.

No question marks today???

Jul-13-21  Ivan Karamazov: Strange choices. This is what used to be ordinary Tuesday difficulty: mate in 3 by a simple forcing variation. But it's way easier than any of the last 5-or-so Monday puzzles.
Jul-13-21  AlicesKnight: White must check to avoid .... Rxh3+ consequences, so Rxg8+ and either capture leads to mate in a few.
Jul-13-21  TheaN: Good Tuesday level. <41.Rxg8+ Kxg8 (Kh7 42.Nf6#; Bxg8 42.Qxh6+ Bh7 43.Qg7#) 42.Qg6+ Kf8 (Kh8 43.Qg7#) 43.Bc5#>.

The checkmating move is a bit hidden; my first thoughts were to activate the bishop by winning the Black bishop with tempo and then moving up the e-pawn. This occurs because the bishop's already optimally placed, but blocked by his own pawn.

I messed around with these variations just to see if it would work and couldn't make it work, but it does after 41.Rxg8+ Kxg8 42.Qg6+ Kf8 43.Qxh6+?! Kxe8 (Kg8 44.Qxe6+; Ke7 44.Bc5+ Kd7 45.Qh7+) 44.Qxe6+ Kd8 45.Qxd5+ #12 and White has tabs on h1 and will be able to activate the bishop regardless with the Black king being bare. Of course, 43.Bc5# is slightly /s better.

Jul-13-21
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  chrisowen: Ebby i keys emanates Rxg8+ goodness afloat position i keys o bodice keys ins extra aint keys o ebby mystery i keys o marvels like against garrulous rag keys quaint tow op pow keys i chap keys huddles diffuse x z it aeschylus keys ebb lights gilt commons buddy plush fizzles x it ok i keys a totups dabble jobs duck awooga join its touch west it z in Rxg8+ gotcha!
Jul-13-21
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  NMABQjmgChess: Missed the last move with the Bishop check.
Did see that White has to keep checking to avoid 41...Rxh3+ with mate to follow.
Jul-13-21  johnnydeep: Damn it - I failed to see the final mating move by the bishop because I was trying too hard to mate with just the knight and queen. I really need to learn to see the ENTIRE board!
Jul-13-21
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  chrisowen: No hangover from c5 mate no?
Jul-13-21
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  chrisowen: No rg8 backs well up no
Jul-13-21  Nullifidian: 41. ♖xg8+ ♔xg8 (♔h7 42. ♕g6#) 42. ♕g6+ ♔f8 (♔h8 43. ♕g7#) 43. ♗c5#
Jul-13-21
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  gawain: <johnnydeep> you are not alone! I was completely unable to see the lovely white bishop that is sitting there on d4 waiting to be deployed to deliver the checkmate. Hiding in the middle of the board.
Jul-13-21
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  ajk68: It took me much too long to find Bc5#.
I started to try to figure out how to bring the bishop into play. I thought maybe a pawn push with an immediate mate threat, but as long as the h6 pawn was there black had an immediate mate threat of his own. Getting rid of the h6 pawn would take a tempo and the mating net would fall apart. I then started looking for other ways to get the bishop involved - then it was obvious.
Jul-13-21
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  raymondhow: I saw the game line through to Bc5#, but did not see Black's mate threat. But since all White's moves were checks, okay to have tunnel vision.
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