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Robert James Fischer vs Hans Berliner
"When Pawny Comes Marching Home" (game of the day Aug-26-2012)
USA-ch (1960), New York, NY USA, rd 5, Dec-23
Alekhine Defense: Exchange Variation (B03)  ·  1-0

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Sep-19-02  refutor: champion v. champion...to this day, still the "best" line to play in the exchange variation v. the alekhine
Sep-30-02  drukenknight: what about 34....Qxh3?
Sep-30-02  refutor: isn't 35.QxB good enough there?
Sep-30-02  drukenknight: 35...Qxg4+

So black is down a B for 2 pawns, but he also gains a tempo. How do you value a tempo? something less than 1? (see similar comments on the Berliner/Estrin game)

your move.

Sep-30-02  bishop: 36. Kf2
Oct-01-02  drukenknight: 36...Qxd1
Oct-02-02  bishop: 37.Qe6+
Oct-03-02  drukenknight: 37...Kg7 isn't 37 Qe8+ better?
Oct-03-02
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  Honza Cervenka: 34...Qxh3 35.Qxe4 Qxg4+ 36.Kf2 Qxd1 37.Qe6+ Kg7 38.Qe7+ Kg8 39.Qxd8+ Kg7 40.Qe7+ Kg8 41.d8Q+ etc.
Oct-03-02  drukenknight: hmm, is there anything better for black on move 37?
Oct-03-02  drukenknight: hmm what about 34...Qxh3 35.Qxe4 Qxg4+ 36.Kf2 Qh4+ followed by ....f5?
Oct-04-02
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  Honza Cervenka: Well, I accepted without deep examining of position refutor's move 35.Qxe4 but it is unnecessary to allow such activation of black queen. If 34...Qxh3 then much better is 35.Bc7 Qh1+ 36.Kf2 Qg2+ 37.Ke3 and white wins.
Oct-05-02  drukenknight: Honza I believe that black can still hold this! First trick is to remember that if the white K goes to the d file the R will bang the pawn w/ check, so:

35.Bc7 Qh1+ 36.Kf2 Qh4+ (this is better than Qg2+) 37 Ke3 Qh6+! (this turns out to be necessary for if the white K walks forward black needs bring the Q to g7 and f7

38 Kxe4 f5+ (39 gxf gxf Kxf? simply allows the R to come into play w/ check, but 39 gxf gxf Kf3 probably leads to the main line)

(on 39 Ke5 Qg7+ and if whites K goes back it repeats or if K goes forward then ..Qf7+)

39 Kf3 Qh3+ (40 Bg3? fxg) 40 Kf2 Qh4+ 41 Bg3! (keeps whites game alive) 41...Qf6

And at least we got Berliner to the time control. Hopefully the connected pawns on the K side can balance off the B and passed pawn.

Oct-05-02
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  Honza Cervenka: 35.Bc7 Qh1+ 36.Kf2 Qh4+ 37.Bg3 and what now? Black hasn't any check and so he is losing a piece.
Oct-05-02  drukenknight: Honza that looks strong but what about this:

34...Qxh3 35. Bc7 Bf3 36. Qe6+ (or Qe8+) Kg7

does the position repeat or can white force the mate?

Oct-05-02
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  Honza Cervenka: White force mate: 34...Qxh3 35. Bc7 Bf3 36. Qe6+ Kg7 37.Qe7+ Kg8 [37...Kh6 38.Bf4+ g5 39.Qxf6#] 38.Qxd8+ Kf7 39.Qe8+ Kg7 40.Qe7+ Kh6 [40...Kg(h)8 41.d8Q#] 41.Bf4+ g5 42.Qxf6#
Oct-05-02  drukenknight: why do you move the 38...Kf7? what about Kg7 does it just repeat?
Oct-05-02
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  Honza Cervenka: 38...Kg7 changes nothing: 39.Qe7+ Kh6 40.Bf4+ g5 41.Qxf6#. Mate is coming here even one move earlier.
Oct-05-02  drukenknight: why do you insist on putting blacks K on bad squares, why cant black move his K between g8 and g7.

You give 39...Kh6 black cannot go over there because Bf4+ will collapse the pawns.

Try moving the K between g8 and g7

Oct-06-02  drukenknight: Okay yes, I see that now. Sorry Honza. Okay so where does berliner lose:

34...f5 looks like it would have held

Oct-06-02
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  Honza Cervenka: If 34...f5 then 35.Bc7 seems to be sufficient.
Oct-24-03  Ghengis Pawn II: I have been messing around with 18. e4 for Berliner to see if he could make a passed pawn of his own, it seems to grind out to a losing position however.
Oct-24-03  drukenknight: GP: I feel you must be on the right track here and this would be the move to start looking. as you can see I tried to save the game at a later pt. but was refuted. There is always a trick, probably somethign to do with the passed pawn.
Oct-25-03  drukenknight: what about 20 Bd3? w/ idea of 21 Bh8

If he is behind in material he needs to avoid further exchanges. (black has a passed pawn)

Jul-02-05
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  Rimrock: Fritz thinks 32...♕c3 is the losing move, while 32...♕e6 hangs on.

1. (0.84): 32...♕e6 33.♕xc5 ♗c6 34.♕e3 ♕xe3+ 35.♗xe3 ♖xe3 36.d7 ♗xd7 37.♖xd7 ♖xh3 38.♖xb7 a5 39.♖a7 h5

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