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Robert James Fischer vs Lhamsuren Myagmarsuren
"A Tangled Web We Weave" (game of the day Sep-29-2018)
Sousse Interzonal (1967), Sousse TUN, rd 3, Oct-15
Formation: King's Indian Attack (A07)  ·  1-0

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Robert James Fischer vs Lhamsuren Myagmarsuren (1967) A Tangled Web We Weave
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Nov-03-18  Everett: Spassky was top-notch, hungry for the title and nearly unbeatable from ‘64-‘70. His only blip was the ‘66 match.

If Bobby sat for any particular reason besides mental illness during this period, it may have been due to the prospect of facing the very best version of Boris.

Nov-03-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  diceman: Fischer was smart.

He waited for the weak:

Taimanov
Larsen
Petrosian
Spassky

before he took the title.

Nov-06-18  Howard: The book Kings of Chess (1985) makes the assertion that Fischer may have indirectly paved the way for Karpov, stating that in 1974 Karpov's rivals such as Spassky and Petrosian, were never quite the same after being crushed by Fischer.

The book states that Karpov merely "stepped over the bodies of the wounded".

Questionable logic, on my opinion, but you never know.

Nov-06-18  Petrosianic: <Questionable logic.>

No logic at all, really. Just a wild claim. Both Spassky and Petrosian were playing in the Candidates into the 1980's.

Petrosian hit age 40 in 1969, and Spassky in 1977. It's no surprise that neither was quite as good as in their early 30's.

Even Larsen played in the Candidates in his 40's.

Dec-13-18  nummerzwei: In essence, Fischer's combination was already featured in 'The Art of Attack in Chess':


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Educational Example
Vladimir Vukovic, 1961

Play proceeds 1...b5 2.Qd2 Qe8 3.Re3 Qf8 4.Rh3 a5 5.h5 b4 6.g3 a4 7.a3 bxc3 8.bxc3


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Now going for the a-pawn with 8...Rab8 9.Kg2 Rb3 10.Rah1 Rc7 11.Qg5 Qxa3 fails to 12.Qh6 Qf8


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13.Qxh7+ Kxh7 14.hxg6+ Kxg6 15.Rh5 and mate.

Feb-24-19
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  MissScarlett: < "Lkhamsürengiin Myagmarsüren", he said. Not quite able to understand what he just heard, Bobby looked up and asked once more. "Lkhamsürengiin Myagmarsüren," his opponent repeated. This went on for a third time after which Bobby just shook his head and wrote A. Mongolian on his score sheet.>

http://twchesssafari.blogspot.com/2...

Feb-24-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: <The unspeakable in pursuit of the unbeatable.>
Sep-19-19  RandomVisitor: After 13.a3 bxa3 14.bxa3 stockfish thinks that White can mount a powerful attack, but that Black - under best play - can improvise a drawing defense, although I don't think Fischer would play 16.c4:


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Stockfish_19091615_x64_modern:

<54/96 2:00:06 0.00 14...Ba6 15.Ne3 Nd4 16.c4> dxc4 17.dxc4 Nb3 18.Rb1 Nb6 19.Qe2 Bb7 20.Red1 Qc8 21.Bg5 Bxg5 22.Nxg5 h6 23.Ne4 Qc7 24.Qh5 Bxe4 25.Bxe4 Rad8 26.Ng4 Rxd1+ 27.Rxd1 Rd8 28.Rxd8+ Qxd8 29.Nxh6+ gxh6 30.Qxh6 Qd2 31.Qh7+ Kf8 32.Qh8+ Ke7 33.Qf6+ Ke8 34.Bc6+ Nd7 35.Bxa4 Qd3 36.Qf4 Nd2 37.h5 Kf8 38.Bxd7 Qxd7 39.h6 Qd3 40.h7 Kg7 41.Qf6+ Kxh7 42.Qxf7+ Kh8 43.Qf8+ Kh7 44.Qe7+ Kg8 45.Qxe6+ Kf8 46.Qf6+ Ke8 47.Qe6+

Sep-19-19  ewan14: Outside of the '' weak '' four Diceman mentioned I think only Korchnoi had a real chance against Fischer
Nov-24-19  W Westerlund: Howard - Petrosianic: Kasparov makes the same argument in MGP 4. The book contains several Spassky - Karpov games. Spassky's time at the top was over. However, Spassky's results were already deteriorating in 1971. As for the WC, as Geller said, Spassky read too many novels, played too many card games and too much tennis. Some may not want to hear this, because for them Fischer is the greatest etc. etc., but the question remains what would have happened if Spassky would have been the same one as in 1966 - '69.
Jun-01-20  mikealando: That's why we have the Best of each year. Bobby Fischer was the very BEST in 1972. (Actually even by 1970) Spassky was the best in 1966. And today Carlsen is the number 1, on clear merit -:yet still has his detractors.
Jun-28-20
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  hez: It is so surreal how Fischer did not rush the Qh6 move in view of the defense of Qf8 and chose to play 29.Bg2 instead. Perhaps instead of 28...Qf8 immediately would have slowd things down?
Jun-28-20
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  hez: 17.Nf1 is another brilliant subtle move knowing very well the importance of the Knight to d2 then e4.
Nov-08-20  Helios727: Is this the game where Fischer busted up laughing at a bad move by Black in the post game analysis with the other American GM's? If so, which was the move he laughed at? It was supposedly a game against a Mongolian player.
Nov-09-20
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  perfidious: Only time I recall reading of such an episode regarding Fischer, whose manners at the board were considered impeccable, in distinct contrast to his shenanigans away from it, was in his celebrated win over Geller at Palma 1970. Geller proposed an early draw and Fischer, as the account went, laughed at him in response.
Nov-09-20  SChesshevsky: <Is this the game where Fischer busted up laughing at a bad move by Black in the post game analysis....?>

Don't know. But heard Fischer once laughed in a junior tournament when his opponent played an unusual opening. Think Fischer was very young and can't remember what opponent played. Maybe Bishops Opening? But turns out opening was rare but playable.

Thought here A. Mongolian played a good game. Seems very logical and I didn't see any howlers. Though when you have to play 23...Qe8 and 24...g6 to try to save the king, it's probably pretty bad.

Much of the time in post game analysis the most fun is trying to blow up other kibitzers suggestions. Can see as more likely Fischer gleefully deriding outsider analysis rather than an opponents pretty good game that was lost because he got outplayed at the end. But guess with Fischer anything is possible.

Nov-09-20  Helios727: It was Seirawan who told the story on Youtube. He said it was against a Mongolian opponent. Did Fischer ever have another Mongolian opponent? Seirawan said it was in Fischer's hotel room after the game with Robert Byrne and other American GM's. He said Byrne and the other GM's were stressing in their minds to figure out what Fischer was laughing at so as not to look dumb. They did manage to figure it out.
Nov-09-20  Petrosianic: I've heard more than once that he laughed when Addison played the Center Counter Defense against him. But I didn't hear it from any reliable source, just one of those internet things.
Nov-09-20  Granny O Doul: It's a bit different to laugh once you're in your hotel room. I'd say it indicates admirable restraint.

Re: Schesshevsky, Fischer recalled once nearly laughing out loud when an opponent played the Wilkes-Barre (he must have been pretty young at the time). He didn't laugh when his opponent reached a winning position, though Fischer pulled it out finally. I don't know if the score of this game exists anywhere.

Ujtumen was another Mongolian player Fischer once faced, but it's unlikely he laughed during that game: Ujtumen vs Fischer, 1970 .

Nov-09-20  SChesshevsky: <Helios727: It was Seirawan who told the story in YouTube...>

Thanks for the YouTube direction. Hunted down the video and here's my take.

Seems Seirawan heard the story from Byrne. Byrne stresses Fischer breaking up over a move made. I'm guessing it was more that Fischer found calling his opponent "a pizza" unbelievably hilarious.

I've never heard "a pizza" as a derogatory term for a poor chess player. So I'm assuming it was meant as somehow personally insulting.

Think Byrne, and plenty of others, gave/give Fischer a pass on a lot of things because of his chess brilliance. But think there's plenty of evidence Fischer was likely a jerk through his whole life.

I certainly don't see a move here that would have, as the story is told, Fischer nearly rolling on the floor. But if my take is wrong and Fischer wasn't just being an insulting jerk and there was some hilarious move (...g6 or ...Qf8?), I apologize to both Fischer and Byrne.

Nov-09-20  Granny O Doul: I guess "pizza" is just a pun on "patzer". It is not a very impressive pun, as pizza has no connection I can see to his opponent or anything else of relevance. Now if he had called him a "boortsog", that I might get behind.
Nov-09-20  SChesshevsky: <Granny O Doul: I guess "pizza" is just a pun on "patzer"...>

That's true. Maybe Fischer meant to call him "patzer" and said "pizza" by mistake. It is kind of funny.

If that's the case I'd have to apologize to Fischer for my previous assumption but maybe not Byrne.

Nov-10-20  SChesshevsky: <Helios727> Thinking about the A. Mongolian game, I seemed to remember it was a Dragon Sicilian. So I looked it up in Soltis book "Fischer Revisited" and he says it was the 1962 Olympiad game with Purevzhav.

Makes sense related to Byrne's story about Fischer having a suite with the other Americans coming to visit. Also maybe makes calling him "pizza" based on his name more reasonable. And there was a unsound N sac that finished that game. Can see how Fischer would've found the name and move combination funny.

Nov-10-20  W Westerlund: This game, and all else Fischer ever did, is of course proof of his divineness according to people like harrylime, but black's highest rating ever was 2390, not exactly hard competition for a top grandmaster.
Nov-10-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: But, a 1960s 2390 was about 2600 in today's inflated numbers? Not a serious threat to a super GM (bobby Fischer, Magnus Carlsen) but no one to fall asleep on either...
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