| Jun-30-07 | | notyetagm: From "Bobby Fischer rediscovered" by GM Soltis, page 11: <And he (Fischer) liked to grab material. "I don't know who is better, Bobby, but I offer a draw," Vlastimil Hort said after 44 moves at Siegen 1970. "I don't know who is better either but I have an extra pawn," Fischer said in refusing.> |
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| Jul-09-07 | | notyetagm: Position after 44 ... ♗b4-c3
click for larger viewPosition in which Fischer turned down a draw offer not because he thought he was better but simply because he had an extra pawn. |
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| Jul-09-07 | | Zorts: Sassy response--he was brash, for he ended up drawing anyway. |
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| Jul-09-07 | | notyetagm: <Zorts: Sassy response ...> Yes, but to be expected from a materialist.
Soltis points out that nearly =all= the great Fischer sacrificial games were played by Fischer when he was under 21. The mature Fischer was basically a materialist. "Bobby liked to grab material" is a short, accurate summary of his style as he got older. |
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| Sep-22-07 | | Zorts: <Yes, but to be expected from a materialist.> Is that what Seirawan means when he classifies Tal and Kasparov as risk-takers; and Fischer's style as more conservative and practical? |
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| Mar-11-09 | | WhiteRook48: please don't Hort me. |
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Feb-11-12
 | | Honza Cervenka: Why not simply 36.Nxe5? |
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| Feb-11-12 | | LKor: Because of 36. ...Nc8 |
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Feb-11-12
| | Honza Cervenka: <LKor: Because of 36. ...Nc8> I don't think so. 37.Qxf7+ wins then on the spot. |
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Feb-11-12
 | | Penguincw: Wow. Fischer couldn't get through Hort. |
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Feb-11-12
| | Honza Cervenka: <Honza Cervenka: Why not simply 36.Nxe5?> Well, I'll try to answer my question myself. 36.Nxe5 wins a Pawn but it hardly can win the game after 36...Qxe5 37.Qxb6 Qd6 38.Bxd4 Bxd3 39.Bxd3 Nxd3 40.hxg6 hxg6. Here it is difficult to avoid trade of Queens and the endgame B+N vs B+N is not much promising despite of white's extra Pawn. |
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Mar-17-12
 | | cro777: <notyetagm: From "Bobby Fischer rediscovered" by GM Soltis, page 11> Andrew Soltis repeated this anecdote in his new book: "What It Takes to Become a Chess Master" After 44 moves during an Olympiad team tournament in 1970, Fischer's opponent, a friend, said "I don't know who is better, Bobby, but I offer a draw." Fischer was canded when he refused: "I don't know who is better either but I have an extra pawn." Only when both sides were reduced to pass moves, 16 moves later, did he accept the draw. That's the spirit of a master. |
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| Sep-05-13 | | Zugzwangovich: <notyetagm> <cro777> To give credit where credit is due, Edmar Mednis related this anecdote much earlier than Soltis (in his 1974 book "How To Beat Bobby Fischer"). |
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| Aug-14-17 | | Howard: Agur stated in CL back in late 1987/early 1988 that Fischer actually missed a win here, but I don't recall exactly where it was. |
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Aug-14-17
 | | Retireborn: In his Fischer book Agur gives 36.Nxe5 Qxe5 37.Qxb6 as winning, but he doesn't mention 37...Qd6 which Houdini gives as best. Then 38.Bxd4 Bxd3 39.Bxd3 Nxd3 40.hxg6 hxg6 and White has (again) won a pawn, but it's difficult to say if his winning chances are any better than in the game. |
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Aug-14-17
| | Retireborn: ....and I now see that variation already posted by <Honza Cervenka>....sorry! |
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