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Robert James Fischer vs Walter Shipman
"Shape Up or Ship Out" (game of the day Nov-06-2018)
Manhattan blitz (1971) (blitz), New York, NY USA, rd 1, Aug-08
Spanish Game: Cozio Defense. General (C60)  ·  1-0

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May-21-13  RookFile: Jenta's 15... f4 look interesting. It's an attempt to mix things up and get Fischer off of auto pilot.
May-22-13
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  diceman: <Damianx: i have no idea what 1 should play against Fisher but surely the Ruy can,t be a good choice>

French, Caro-Kann.

May-22-13  RookFile: I think the Petrov has been toughened up from where it was in Fischer's day. Karpov would probably use this against Fischer and get reasonable positions. Of course, in the middlegame, anything can happen.
Jun-30-13  Naniwazu: @ <Damianx> <diceman> Fischer had some high-profile loses in the French Winawer Fischer vs Ivkov, 1959; Fischer vs Uhlmann, 1960; Fischer vs Mednis, 1962; but then again he also won some..most notably perhaps Fischer vs Tal, 1960; Fischer vs K Darga, 1960; Fischer vs Larsen, 1971. He even wrote in "My 60 Memorable Games" <I may yet be forced to admit that the Winawer is sound. But I doubt it! The defense is anti-positional and weakens the K-side>.
Jun-30-13
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  diceman: <Naniwazu: @ <Damianx> <diceman> Fischer had some high-profile loses in the French Winawer Fischer vs Ivkov, 1959; Fischer vs Uhlmann, 1960; Fischer vs Mednis, 1962; but then again he also won some..most notably perhaps Fischer vs Tal, 1960; Fischer vs K Darga, 1960; Fischer vs Larsen, 1971. He even wrote in "My 60 Memorable Games" <I may yet be forced to admit that the Winawer is sound. But I doubt it! The defense is anti-positional and weakens the K-side>.>

Well at the end of the day you’re still playing Fischer!!!

My guess is it would be better vs. facing his Ruy Lopez or Sicilian.

I have a bit of bias as French and Caro were openings I played.

(I loved the fact that players hated them)

A local expert/master in my area was a Fischer clone. Knew all Fischer’s top games and played only his opening repertoire.

I did quite well against him with the French.

Nice to see folks like Carlsen still playing it at the top levels.

Jun-28-15  SpiritedReposte: <Ship-Wrecked>
Aug-24-16
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  thegoodanarchist: <BlazingArrow56: Absolutely crushed, poor Shipman. >

Well, 't is to be expected - he was playing against chess itself.

Nov-06-18  RookFile: Maybe, but Shipman wasn't under some obligation to use an inferior line against the world's greatest expert in the Ruy Lopez. Even an amateur can pick out some opening where you play the first 15 moves perfectly.
Nov-06-18  offramp: Black's name is an anagram of "Trawlermanship", which is what fishers do.
Nov-06-18  nalinw: <offramp> - you have used the single "r" twice .....
Nov-06-18  SChesshevsky: <...Shipman wasn't under some obligation to use an inferior line...>

Strangely, this type of ...d5 line scored well up to here. At least by the small number of games in the cg database.

But I get the feeling Shipman got out of whatever prep or comfort he had prior to 12...Qf7. Maybe even down on the clock since the move looks a huge miscalculation or just desperation.

The cg engine comes up with a clever 12...Bh5 with trading bishops and it appears the game continues.

Nov-06-18  saturn2: chipped man
Nov-06-18  RookFile: The first point of Fischer's that impresses is 6. Qe2, rather than d4. In the databases I'm looking at, it has a big plus. After 7...Nxc6, Stockfish is already awarding white a +1.3 advantage. Sure, the line might be a good surprise weapon against somebody who doesn't know the Ruy Lopez really well. That, of course, would not be Bobby Fischer.
Nov-06-18  Saniyat24: Shape up or ship out=blitz game ended quickly...
Nov-06-18  Cheapo by the Dozen: According to current theory, wasn't Fischer's opening repertoire weakest against the Sicilian? (I'm thinking of Bc4 aka the Fischer/Sozin line.) I'd be inclined to try some kind of Sicilian against his 1 e4, but not the Najdorf or Dragon.
Nov-06-18
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  perfidious: Fischer had come in for a hiding at the hands of Larsen at Palma, but as Mednis wrote in <How To Beat Bobby Fischer>, while in direct, clear lines the great man was superb, his prowess was, at times, rather less clear in the murkier, sharp positions such as those produced in the Velimirovic, the culprit vs Larsen. Fischer's celebrated loss to Geller at Monte Carlo 1967 while trying 6.Bg5 against the Najdorf was another instance in which he faltered with both players on a precipice, whereas attacker par excellence Tal showed the way when confronted with the same problem.

In terms of relative weak spots, Fischer's nemesis in theory by his zenith may well have been facing the Saemisch when playing the King's Indian. In '70, he managed a draw vs Gheorghiu whilst trying the dubious 5....c5 and was also fortunate to get a half point vs Jimenez at Palma. No chance he was going to use the KID vs Spassky at Reykjavik.

Nov-06-18  RookFile: Fischer had more than just the Bc4 Sicilian. He was effective with Be2, for example. I think most people would love to have his batting average with white against the Sicilian.
Nov-06-18
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  ajk68: 12...Qf7??
Quite the obvious blunder. Letting Fischer rip up your castled position was not a good strategy.
Nov-06-18  Robyn Hode: He might not have used the KID vs Spassky, but he used it to maul Taimanov in the Quarterfinals. Btw, Fischer used Alekhine's Defense twice vs Spassky and that opening has to be considered as least as difficult. He also played a Benoni, another theoretically difficult opening.

There are few things worse that saying words like "may well". It essentially means nothing. It's pseudo-intellectualism that smells even worse than it looks.

Nov-06-18
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  Everett: A blitz victory against a 2300
Nov-06-18
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  perfidious: <Robyn Hode...There are few things worse that (sic) saying words like "may well". It essentially means nothing. It's pseudo-intellectualism that smells even worse than it looks.>

Get over yourself.

Fischer's two victories with the King's Indian in his match with Taimanov were far from the walkovers you appear to believe took place.

As to what Fischer actually played in Reykjavik, spare me your 1400-level rubbish; in the face of the Soviet analytical might, he had no good alternative to switching up on his openings, especially when his beloved Bc4 vs the Sicilian had a rough time early on in the match.

Nov-06-18  Saniyat24: I heard Fischer was a master of the poisoned pawn variation in the Sicilian Najdorf...very good at openings generally...his record is very good, might not be everyone's favorite player...also against Geller with Ruy Lopez he was very good..and iced Spassky...went to visit Tal at hospital..ended in an asylum? not sure..charismatic personna..
Nov-06-18  saturn2: <He might not have used the KID vs Spassky, but he used it to maul Taimanov>

Taimanov got a good position after the first few moves but was outplayed afterwards. Kasparov says Taimanov should have concentrated more on practical play rather than on openings during the preparation of the match.

In my understanding Fischer was among the players who believed more in the game aspect of chess and their power in the middlegame and endgame. In this I would group him among Lasker, Capablanca, Smyslov, Spassky and Carlson just to name a few.

Among those others stressing more the scientific aspect I see Morphy (yes), Aljechin, Botvinnik.

It goes without saying all of the mentioned players had great skills both in openings and middlegames but me I like this distinction.

And finally Fischer developed his random chess because he thought chess theory had become too important.

Nov-07-18  SChesshevsky: <Cheapo by the dozen> Back then, Fischer was considered the most knowledgeable about the Sicilian in chess. So you had to be really confident to try it against him.

But there were a couple of plusses. His confidence could get him to push a bit too hard and for much of his career you kind of knew what you were going to get so maybe you could prepare. But even then, you'd have to beat him OTB.

Since the 70's, opening theory has changed a lot. A future Fischer would have had to make a lot of adjustments when playing 1.e4 versus the Sicilian and even the Ruy, as he did somewhat in 92.

Jan-23-19  searchforbobby1: Any one can share to me the blitz crosstable of this tourney won by Fischer. Thanks!
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