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Robert James Fischer vs Boris Spassky
Spassky - Fischer World Championship Match (1972), Reykjavik ISL, rd 4, Jul-18
Sicilian Defense: Fischer-Sozin Attack. Leonhardt Variation (B88)  ·  1/2-1/2

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May-22-19  john barleycorn: < keypusher: ...

<jbc> <ownership>

These things can't be dated precisely, but Karpov vs Spassky, 1973. Karpov also almost got Spassky in the Soviet championship that year. Karpov vs Spassky, 1973. Karpov also came close to losing that game, however....>

<Karpov also almost got Spassky> well, that is not exactly "owning". Nor is this <Karpov vs Spassky, 1973. Karpov also came close to losing that game, however...>

See, there is part of our problem in communication. I said Karpov "owned" Spassky from the semifinals in 1974 on. And you reply that Karpov almost "owned" Spassky before that. See it? According to the database here Karpov and Spassky played 5 games before the 1974 semifinals. http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

May-22-19
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  harrylime: bARLEY BOOOORE GOING INTO MENTAL MELTDOOOOOON on these pages ! lol lol lol lol
May-22-19
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  keypusher: <jbc>
<See, there is part of our problem in communication. >

You're saying ownership took place in 1974. I'm saying <it can't be precisely dated> but maybe it started in 1973. And you appear to think that infinitesimal difference of opinion is worth a long and vigorous argument.

So, I cannot agree that communication is the problem, or even part of the problem. We're both communicating just fine. The problem is, you're bonkers. Especially about anything that touches, however lightly, on Bobby Fischer.

May-22-19
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  harrylime: The Poster <Keypusher> is a NOTORIOUS Robert Fischer HATER on this site.

This needs to be said lol lol lol

May-24-19
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  harrylime: Bobby got outta jail here.

He really was on his own Up against the rest of the chess world which was the SOVIETS.

They knew all his games.

May-24-19
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  harrylime: Robert Fischer is the GREATEST.

Discuss

May-24-19
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  Diademas: <harrylime: Robert Fischer is the GREATEST.

Discuss>

Groundbreaking and original thoughts.
Is this a conclusion you just reached after strenuous studies and comparative analysis?

May-24-19  john barleycorn: <harrylime: Robert Fischer is the GREATEST.

Discuss>

Fischer is the Greatest. Nothing to discuss.

May-24-19
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  harrylime: <Diademas: <harrylime: Robert Fischer is the GREATEST. Discuss>

Groundbreaking and original thoughts.
Is this a conclusion you just reached after strenuous studies and comparative analysis?>

You been in a COMA this last 70 years ?

May-24-19
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  Diademas: : <harrylime: <Diademas: <harrylime: Robert Fischer is the GREATEST. Discuss> Groundbreaking and original thoughts. Is this a conclusion you just reached after strenuous studies and comparative analysis?> You been in a COMA this last 70 years ?>

Well, for 19 of them I hadn't even been born.
Sarcasm not your strength?

May-24-19  john barleycorn: <Diademas: : ...

Sarcasm not your strength?>

not in the last 19 years.

May-24-19
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  harrylime: <Diademas: : <harrylime: <Diademas: <harrylime: Robert Fischer is the GREATEST. Discuss> Groundbreaking and original thoughts. Is this a conclusion you just reached after strenuous studies and comparative analysis?> You been in a COMA this last 70 years ?> Well, for 19 of them I hadn't even been born.
Sarcasm not your strength?>

Actually itz my GREATEST STRENGTH .

You ok ? lol lol

May-25-19  Keyser Soze: <The problem is, you're bonkers. Especially about anything that touches, however lightly, on Bobby Fischer.>

LOL. Also Kasparov, Short, Abdel Irada, Susan Polgar, etcetc

May-25-19  john barleycorn: <Keyser Soze: ...

LOL. Also Kasparov, Short, Abdel Irada, Susan Polgar, etcetc>

However, take note you won't make it there. your miserable condition is not worth it.

May-25-19  Keyser Soze: Busted.

Course, your criminal friend already rent his life for it! Useless on this one broda..Hows him btw? Happy? LOL

Say hi to that old failipina, old man

May-25-19  john barleycorn: <keyser soze> as I said, you are not worth it. Get your attention from <tpstar> et al.
Sep-08-19  N.O.F. NAJDORF: <It is known that Spassky is not a big worker or hard worker in chess. He is quite lazy, so he didn’t work too much on chess. This was the main reason he was defeated by Fischer. If you recall the games, it was game number four when Spassky with black showed a fantastic novelty which was prepared by him and his team. I know this novelty. But, what happened is Spassky didn’t make the effort to memorize it, because it was winning by force.

Geller told me when they started to repeat this before the game, Spassky, after three or four moves into the novelty, said, “Oh, this is not so important, because I will find it [the moves] over the board.” So, he didn’t remember the moves and he didn’t win the game, which was already won at home.

This was extremely important because Spassky won the first game, a strange game. Better not to say that Spassky won the game, but that Fischer lost the game. Then, Fischer didn’t appear for the second game, and Fischer won the third game, so if Spassky had won game number four with black, he most probably would have won the match.>

I was going to mention that interview, which I saw a while ago but can't find online any more.

It's frustrating that Karpov doesn't go into any detail about the winning variation.

He also claimed that Spassky missed a win in game 13, again without elaborating.

According to Gligoric, the idea of playing ... Rd8 before ... Rh8 was given by Olafsson in his match bulletin, but I seem to remember that the idea was not his.

Sep-08-19  N.O.F. NAJDORF: 'I found ways that Spassky could get a winning position in the opening of the Alekhine Defence. Fischer played the Alekhine Defence and Spassky missed a very big advantage.'

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2015/f...

Sep-08-19
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  gezafan: <ToTheDeath: Karpov:

<It is known that Spassky is not a big worker or hard worker in chess. He is quite lazy, so he didn’t work too much on chess. This was the main reason he was defeated by Fischer. If you recall the games, it was game number four when Spassky with black showed a fantastic novelty which was prepared by him and his team. I know this novelty. But, what happened is Spassky didn’t make the effort to memorize it, because it was winning by force.

Geller told me when they started to repeat this before the game, Spassky, after three or four moves into the novelty, said, “Oh, this is not so important, because I will find it [the moves] over the board.” So, he didn’t remember the moves and he didn’t win the game, which was already won at home.

This was extremely important because Spassky won the first game, a strange game. Better not to say that Spassky won the game, but that Fischer lost the game. Then, Fischer didn’t appear for the second game, and Fischer won the third game, so if Spassky had won game number four with black, he most probably would have won the match.>>

Karpov's claim that Spassky probably would have won the match if he had won game four is just another backhanded way to demean Fischer. If Spassky had won game four the score would have been 12 to 9 with Fischer needing but a draw in the last three games to win the match. Fischer still would have won the match.

Sep-09-19
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  RookFile: From what I've seen Karpov has actually been pretty complimentary towards Fischer. I think Karpov does have some contempt for Spassky, especially the latter's work ethic.
Sep-09-19
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  harrylime: <<RookFile: From what I've seen Karpov has actually been pretty complimentary towards Fischer. I think Karpov does have some contempt for Spassky, especially the latter's work ethic.>>

A primed motivated Spassky against a Karpov without his Soviet RED CARPET backing ???

I'm going Boris.

EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK.

Mar-11-20
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  Ulhumbrus: Karpov may have been right. Spassky may have underestimated Fischer.
Apr-30-21
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  Joshka: <gezafan> <backhanded way to demean Fischer> This is done all the time on Bobby's page, so what else is new;-) Anyone know what the "novelty" is that would have won for Spassky according to Karpov? Got to meet Karpov once, and had I known about this, would have asked him straight off about Game 4! thanks in advance
Apr-30-21
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  saffuna: <Karpov's claim that Spassky probably would have won the match if he had won game four is just another backhanded way to demean Fischer.>

Fischer won the match from 0-2 down. He most likely could have won the match from 1-3 down.

The result is the result. It's not science, it's a competition.

Apr-30-21
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  keypusher: <Joshka: <gezafan> <backhanded way to demean Fischer> This is done all the time on Bobby's page, so what else is new;-) Anyone know what the "novelty" is that would have won for Spassky according to Karpov? Got to meet Karpov once, and had I known about this, would have asked him straight off about Game 4! thanks in advance>

Going by the commentary on the previous page, the missed move is 21....Rd8, which incidentally is <not> clearly winning, according to the engines, anyway.

SF 13 likes 21....Be3 best (-1.79, 43 ply). The main line runs 21....Be3 22.Nd4 Bf4 23.Nf3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Bxe5 25.c3 Rb8 26.Qe2. Not exactly a crystal-clear win.

21....Rd8 is -1.42 and 21...h5, Spassky's choice, is -1.23.

There is more engine analysis posted on the previous page. The position probably looked simpler to the Soviets in 1972 than it does to us now, with silicon assistance.

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