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Herbert Avram vs Robert James Fischer
"Abraham, the KID, and the Sacrifice" (game of the day Oct-08-2021)
West Orange Open (1957), West Orange, NJ USA, rd 1, Feb-22
King's Indian Defense: Saemisch Variation (E80)  ·  1-0



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  saffuna: <They called for Fischer. As he approached the board, he saw Herb and must have recognized him. Fischer came to the board and within a second without even looking at the board said, "Avram loses.">

Afterward Avram should have challenged Fischer to defeat him from the same position.

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  OhioChessFan: Very good pun, Avram and Abraham is a bit of a stretch but still really clever.
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  GerMalaz: Don't think it is a stretch, It is variant of the same name.
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  al wazir: <OhioChessFan: Avram and Abraham is a bit of a stretch>.

No, Avram was Abraham's original name. You need to brush up on your Bible.

Oct-08-21  nalinw: Very good pun - double pun for KID - would have been even better if selected in July - on the day of Eid ...
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  FSR: Impressive game by Avram.
Oct-08-21  areknames: Yet another impressive pun, so well done <mrknightly> and thanks for the anecdote. The game itself is a surprisingly poorly executed KID by RJF. Not sure where Bobby went wrong but I think that ...b6 should be played early in this type of closed positions.
Oct-08-21  The Kings Domain: A young Fischer bested after playing a weak opening.
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  MissScarlett: The Najdorf and KID were Fischer's first loves as Black - to the former he remained eternally true, but was increasingly led astray by the Grunfeld and the Nimzo.
Oct-08-21  RookFile: Fischer was just a kid and the guy he was playing was a strong master who was state champion multiple times.
Oct-08-21  mrknightly: Thanks for all the kind comments. Herb Avram was a great guy, a proud Navy WWII veteran, and an analyst for the CIA. Sometimes I would go to his house with my parents. As they sat in the living room having drinks and conversation, I would sit in the dining room with the chess board. I would call out my move, and Herb would go on with the conversation, and then after a bit, call out his move. I never won any of these games.
Oct-08-21  Ironmanth: Great game! Thanks, chessgames. Y'all have a safe and great weekend!
Oct-08-21  goodevans: <He was an adult now ... he was also the designated adjudicator ... within a second without even looking at the board said, "Avram loses.">

Define 'adult'.

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  keypusher: Great game and pun, and we just had L Engels vs K Richter, 1935. Is this Chessgames?? Thanks for your stories about Avram, <mrknightly>.
Oct-08-21  TheTamale: Well, in most Bibles in the U.S., Abraham's original game is given as Abram. Clearly Avram is an equivalent, but one might be excused for not making the connection.
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  OhioChessFan: <Tamale> I have read the Bible from cover to cover each year for the last 20 years, so, yes, I knew the connection. You're excused for your false assumption.
Oct-08-21  RookFile: How do you get through Leviticus? That one is hard for me.
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  OhioChessFan: The temple dimensions in Exodus are really tough. And Numbers 7 is numbingly boring.
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  FSR: <TheTamale: Well, in most Bibles in the U.S., Abraham's original game is given as Abram. Clearly Avram is an equivalent, but one might be excused for not making the connection.>

I'd expect someone who just lovvvvves the Bible, like the commenter in question, to make the connection.

Oct-08-21  newzild: I've read the bible and I don't really get the pun. Does the KID refer to a baby goat? In that case, you could argue that Black was a baby GOAT.
Oct-08-21  mrknightly: <newzild> The KID reference is to the Kings Indian Defense and to Abraham's son, Isaac, the kid, whom God told Abrahm to sacrafice. See Genesis, chapter 22.
Oct-09-21  Saniyat24: 33.g3...! lol, I found that move funny...!
Oct-10-21  newzild: <mrknightly> Ahhh, I forgot that bit about God telling him to kill his son.
Oct-11-21  Omnipotent00001: kilt him on his birthday
words cannot express the sorrow I feel for the things I have done Sleep my little deads
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  fredthebear: A CG statement says that numerous Z accounts such as <Z truth 000000011> and this <Omnipotent0001> have been disabled. Many of the accounts had nine-digit numbers.
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