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Andrew Schoene vs Robert James Fischer
US Junior Open (1957), San Francisco, CA USA, rd 2, Jul-??
King's Indian Defense: Normal Variation (E70)  ·  0-1



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Aug-30-04  wall: Can't White draw this with 31.Kd3 rather than 31.Re2 as in the game? 31.Re2 loses the rook after 32...e4+ 33.Kxd4 Rxe2.
Apr-03-05  thesonicvision: if the rooks ever get exchanged, white
gets stuck in an inferior bishop
vs. knight endgame. in any case,
black's pawn chain is rather
formidable and stopping the e pawn
will be difficult.

drawing chances? maybe.
what white chooses to do is an
obvious blunder...
but he IS playing against bobby

Apr-03-05  THE pawn: I've never seen pieces go away so quickly.
Apr-03-05  Milo: 7.Nf3 looks like a lemon... but black has saved a tempo over Alekhine's defense positions (he has only moved the worthless g knight twice), so he should be strong in any case.
Apr-04-05  JohnTal: for me, 19 b3 is in order, leaving both players with 2 pawn advantages on opposite sides on the board. White would then have to move the Kt to say e3 with an eye on d5 or move the kt to f2 aiming for d3.

Then keep your king on white squares and bring the rook in play - with skilled play - a draw is achievable.

As it is, white's Qside aggressiveness ends in painful zugzwang defeat. Skilled play by Bobby.

Apr-04-05  RookFile: I think Milo's comment is very interesting. I had never thought of this in comparison to Alekhine's defense before. There are some obvious similarities.

Chess is hard. Is there a benefit
to Alekhine's defense, having the knight on b6 instead of e8? Well, in the lines where the black bishop
goes to g4, and threatens to swap
against f3, the pressure on c4 is handy. Also, sometimes, the b6 knight goes to d7, exerting useful control over e5.

I used to think that e5 was a bad idea for White, as a result of Fischer's wins with black. But now I'm not so sure. It seems very tricky and hard to evaluate.

Of course, if you're Fischer, and you're black, that's exactly what you want.

Aug-23-05  gomickeylol: It seems around mid-spring, everyone lost interest in Bobby's games...people stopped kibitzing them around April.
Aug-23-05  RookFile: Well, anyway, I remember thinking, as Fischer did, that 5. e5 must be a bad move. But I'm not sure what master opinion is today, this is really not that much different than Alekhine's defence. By that reasoning, try 7. Be3 instead of Nf3. Note that 7. Be3 c5 is a terrible move, white just plays 8. dxc5 and the black pawn is pinned.
Apr-17-06  notyetagm: Fischer shows you how to refute an early 5 e5?! in the King's Indian Four Pawns Attack.
Jul-16-09  TheFocus: Opponent's name is Andrew.
Apr-15-10  arjay: whoa!!! such brilliance in display!!! i like this game!
Jan-27-12  screwdriver: Once the opponent locked out his bishop on b7 and lost that pawn, he was done. Fischer immediately locked up the knight and prevented the white rook from doing anything useful.
Jan-27-12  RookFile: <Fischer shows you how to refute an early 5 e5?! in the King's Indian Four Pawns Attack.>

Actually, he doesn't. White's error came later, for example, 7. Be3 is worth a shot.

Jan-27-12  JoergWalter: <RookFile>

Fischer in "My 60 memorable games" cites this game in his comments on Letelier vs. Fischer, 1960.

In his comments:

5.e5 is a weak move

7.Le3 was actually played in Letelier vs. Fischer but Fischer thinks 7.Nf3 is safer. Though white cannot claim an advantage after that.

Jan-27-12  Shams: If 5.e5 is weak then why is 4...d6 nearly universally played by modern masters?
Jan-27-12  JoergWalter: <Shams> 4...d6 is played instead of 4...0-0. bit different story i guess.
Jan-27-12  Shams: <Joerg> Sorry, I'll be more clear. If <4...0-0 5.e5> is bad for Black than why isn't <4...0-0> seen very often in master play?
Jan-27-12  JoergWalter: <Shams>

In the above game it is
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 0-0

which is different from

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6.

In the former d6 (after Ne8) is played to challenge white's e5 pawn. In the latter d6 is played to prepare e5 or c5 for black.

Jan-27-12  Shams: <Joerg> We appear to be at a communicative impasse.
Jan-27-12  JoergWalter: <Shams> so we take a rest now and continue at the proper time.
Feb-25-12  paulwkaris: was also researching this game for the same question as sham's

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