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Mikhail Tal vs Robert James Fischer
"Fishing in the Tal Grass" (game of the day Dec-08-2013)
Bled-Zagreb-Belgrade Candidates (1959), Bled, Zagreb & Belgrade YUG, rd 6, Sep-15
King's Indian Defense: Petrosian Variation. Normal Defense (E93)  ·  1-0

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Dec-09-13
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  kevin86: Sparkling game by Tal-or is it just the usual?
Dec-09-13
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  AylerKupp: <<playground player> As long as human beings let computers teach them how to play chess, we shall not see Tal's like again.>

You mean if computers teach humans to play a game like this one: Rybka vs Houdini, 2011? Get over your anti-computer bias and misconceptions; computers are quite capable of playing Tal-like games, only with greater accuracy. We would do very well to learn how to play like that.

Dec-09-13
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  penarol: <AylerKupp> In the game you mention, Tal would have never played 14.Nxh7...
Dec-09-13
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  playground player: <AylerKupp> If I can't be prejudiced against computers, what am I still free to be prejudiced against? It's a personal thing.

I grant you, the game you posted is delightful--I never would've guessed machines had anything to do with it. But how am I supposed to drum up any rooting interest?

<parisattack> Maybe we can be coelocanths, and still be around after a lot of newfangled life forms are long-since fossilized.

<RandomVisitor> Although I think of you as one of the really big "computer guys" on this site, I can't hold it against you.

In one of the first CG consultation games a few years ago, in which we were allowed to let computers pick our moves, I suggested a move that ran counter to the majority computer analysis--and you were open-minded enough to support it, even though the machines said no. I think we wound up being a minority of two.

I will always appreciate that.

Dec-09-13  parisattack: <<parisattack> Maybe we can be coelocanths, and still be around after a lot of newfangled life forms are long-since fossilized.>

It may be our only hope! Wait it out for the computers to have a final shoot-it-out, be waiting with our MCOs in-hand.

Dec-09-13
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  tamar: <parisattack> Or MCO's in caudal fins while doing a headstand. http://www.dinofish.com/
Dec-09-13
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  playground player: <tamar> Cool coelacanth video!
Dec-09-13  parisattack: <tamar: <parisattack> Or MCO's in caudal fins while doing a headstand. http://www.dinofish.com/>

Yes, that's us BC chess players! We all play the French since Evans said we are a 'breed apart.'

Oct-29-14  DaveK: <<playground player> As long as human beings let computers teach them how to play chess, we shall not see Tal's like again.>

I think we should look to chess to help us develop skills for life & understanding the world, but not for chess itself.

People use computers to learn chess. They often use computers to play chess. After games with other people or to examine historical games they use computers to analyze chess. Whether we like it or not, this is a growing trend.

At the same time, chess is not growing in popularity. The game itself, as a game, is slowly moving towards becoming one of the great lost arts.

However, if we can adhere to the study of chess & transpose it's principles to life, to help us understand our many relationships, understand politics, understand businesses, understand societies, then just as we use tools to understand chess we can use chess as a tool to understand life.

Thus mastering chess should not be our Endgame. Mastering chess should be our Opening.

Oct-29-14  Rookiepawn: <...if Fischer was right in his claim that he had the better position against Tal in all 4 losses.>

The data may well be correct, but imho it means not so much. Tal may claim the same (he was also superior at some point of the game). Besides, he won.

Oct-29-14  Rookiepawn:


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Maybe this position shows what I think is some kind of strategic principle (or whatever): some flank attacks, rather than being "vertical" (attack through the files), are kind of "triangular" clashing on the h1-a8 long diagonal, pushing WQ's flank agaist BK's flank.

I guess White's control of f5 - d6 - e7 forces the awkward BQ's step back to g5 and illustrates the point.

Nov-19-14  Rookiepawn: f5 - e6 - d7, I meant...
Mar-02-17  Joker2048: Tal outplayed Fischer here ...
4-0
Unbelievable
Mar-02-17  Petrosianic: No, only 1-0 in this game.
May-07-17  Joker2048: Yes you'r right petrosianic ..
I mean in the last 4-0 not in this game..
This is just the beginning of the end
Jun-29-17
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  Johnnysaysthankyou: I'd just like to point out that none of the lines in this game are unsound. There isn't even a "real sacrifice" in this game. Tal's play may be, as they say, "extra as @#$%" but its sheer whimsy and pure disregard for Fischer's play(Its like Tal is mocking him) doesn't make it unsound.
Jun-29-17
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: I like how Tal took Petrosian's famous KID Killer 7.d5 and made it his own.
Jun-29-17  WorstPlayerEver: Coincedentally, two other champs are playing the KID right now, Komodo vs Stockfish, Black to move:


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Oct-27-17  Kcb1990: Ok nice game
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Oct-28-17
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  thegoodanarchist: Love the pun!
Oct-28-17
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  HeMateMe: a great game, always worth another look.
Apr-18-18  Toribio3: Tal is a gifted human being. He demolished Fischer in this simple killing style.
May-27-19  mosheach: After 27...f3, 28...Be5 looks like a mating attack for black, threatening the sacrifice on g3
Feb-19-22
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  PawnSac: < Toribio3: Tal is a gifted human being. He demolished Fischer in this simple killing style. >

For persective, this was Sept 15, 1959. Exactly 6 months before the WCC match between challenger Tal and reigning champ, the mighty Botvinnik, whom he disposed by a score of 12.5 - 8.5 [the same result as Spassky-Fischer 3 years later]. Bobby was 15 years old. He lost 11 games at Bled, 4 of which was to Tal. He left this event smarting from these losses, and no doubt went home to his think tank, determined to find the path to victory over Tal. He never lost to him again. They played 7 games after this one, 3 draws and 4 wins for Bobby.

All this to say.. In 1959-1960 Tal was at the peak of his powers, and extremely difficult to predict OTB. Bobby was an aspiring new future champion who needed a good butt whooping to get the eye of the tiger fired up, and force him to higher level prep.

This is a normal pattern we have seen time and again, as with..

Steinitz [56] Lasker [25],
Lasker [53] Capablanca [33],
Botvinnik [53] Tal [23]
Spassky [35] Fischer [29]
Anand [44] Carlsen [23], and others.

The older seasoned race horse is out performed by the younger, stronger Philly with drive and hunger.

One last comment.. I'm not a Fischer worshipper. We all admire his amazing insight since we are CHESS lovers. I admit he was a real nut case. Morphy was another of the same breed from what I gather. But none of that matters. It's about the game.

Feb-19-22
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  Aminda: « For persective, this was Sept 15, 1959. Exactly 6 months before the WCC match between challenger Tal and reigning champ, the mighty Botvinnik, whom he disposed by a score of 12.5 - 8.5 [the same result as Spassky-Fischer 3 years later]. » Sorry, got your dates wrong.
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