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Mikhail Tal vs Robert James Fischer
"Stare Wars" (game of the day Sep-27-2014)
Bled-Zagreb-Belgrade Candidates (1959), Bled, Zagreb & Belgrade YUG, rd 20, Oct-11
King's Indian Defense: Petrosian Variation. Normal Defense (E93)  ·  1-0

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Sep-27-14  MarkFinan: Morph.. Great quote, lol.

And of course a great game. Not quite sure why Fischer didn't play 9..g5 kicking the bishop to g3 though. ✌

Sep-27-14
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  kevin86: Tal gives up his knight for the attack and then beats Fischer to a pulp!
Sep-27-14  SatelliteDan: I think a chess score should be like betting.
If you win you earn 1 point or (+1).
If you lose, you lose one point or (-1).
If a draw both players score zero, or (0).
Sep-27-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: A 16 year old pup, needs that qualifier...
Sep-27-14  SatelliteDan: Beautiful game by Tal btw.
Sep-27-14  SatelliteDan: Fischer probably respected Tal the most of all chess players. I think he even visited him in hospital.
Sep-27-14  WDenayer: I like Tal too, who doesn't, but first, I do certainly not think that Tal is a good model or 'hero' to choose for a beginner. Forget playing like Tal and study strategy. Second, I think that Tal was megalomaniac, but since he was a genius he is forgiven. I have no doubt that his 'image' was carefully construed. I don't remember where I read this, but there is a game Tal-Botwinnik WC (the first of the second, do not remember), French Winaver. Tal played an incredible move (Kd1). In his Best Games he tells the story that he only found out about this move a couple of hours before the game. He liked it and decided to give it a try. During a WC? In fact, the move had been played 4 yrs ago during a tournament where Tal was also playing. It had all been completely analysed. Did Tal have a need to play the genius, aside from being one? Was it all strategy? Who knows.
Sep-27-14  WDenayer: Fischer did visit Tal in hospital – there's even a picture of Fischer sitting on Tal's bed. Fischer's relations with 'the Russians' seems like this to me: he was on 'normal' friendly terms with anyone he did not consider a threat (Tal was not a Russian, but he was of course decidedly in their camp). Tal beat Fischer many times; after this game he never beat Fischer again. To Fischer, Tal was not a real threat. Fischer wanted to be world champion. It would take many years. He assumed, rightly, that by that time Tal would no longer be in the running. The same could not be assumed about Korchnoi or Petrosian. Their relations with Fischer were very bad. Spassky was an exception. It turned out that he was the man to beat. Fischer could not have known this in advance. In my opinion, Spassky lost the match before he ever arrived in Iceland. He just wasn't motivated enough. He wasn't well prepared – Geller got mad at him several times because he played too much tennis, slept until after noon, played too many card games and read too many novels. Geller was an iron fighter. By the time Spassky arrived, the killer instinct was not there. Can you imagine Kramnik winning a game in the WC against Kasparov and Kasparov applauding to him (that happened after Fischer won the QGD Tartakower variation game, the one played in the back room). Fine, it was genius. That's not a reason to applaud. He's your opponent. You're not interested in genius, your interested in beating him. To me, the 'match of the century' has produced some absolutely great games and also some pretty mediocre ones because Spassky did not have it in him (for example the game where Fischer played the Alekhine but they ended up in a variation of the Scotch - Spassky got outplayed really quick). After 1972, they both disappeared. Fischer got crazy and Spassky became a strong GM who would never again come close to a WC. His last try was against Karpov. Spassky had neglected himself and then Fischer had broken him and then Karpov broke him for good. The difference in playing strength was enormous.
Sep-27-14  KokeFischer: Stare Tal! http://bit.ly/1vnSSeX
Sep-27-14  tivrfoa: which move could be the start of a puzzle (white to play and win)?
Sep-27-14  Jack Kerouac: >WDenayer< A doctrinaire regarding Fischer and Tal? Me thinks a changing of new play over taking the old school of Soviet placidity. Some one had to do it. And he did.
Sep-27-14  Cheapo by the Dozen: What I don't see is why Fischer played 22 ... Qf6 instead of 22 ... Qg5. The obvious thought is that Qd4+ (after Bxf5+) is now playable for White, but I don't see what that would accomplish, other than avoiding the exchange of queens that 22 ... Qg5 otherwise might force.
Oct-28-14
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  plang: Third of Tal's four wins against Fischer in this event. Fischer played 9..a6 in both his games with Black against Tal; this move is rarely played anymore. In the earlier game Fischer played 12..Ng5; here he played the new idea 12..Bf6 which appears to be too slow and has not been repeated. Tal was surprised that Fischer took the pawn with 20..dxe expecting instead 20..Ne5; 20..Qe5 also seems like a logical alternative. Tal offered the variation 21..Qg7 22 Bxf5+..Kh8 23 Ne4..Ne5 24 Ng3..Ne7 25 Rae1..Bxf5 (25..Nd3 26 Rxe7) 26 Qxe5 but seems to have not considered 25..N5g6! which looks awkward for White. The decisive mistake was 22..Qf6?; after the better defense 22..Qd6 23 Bxf5+..Kh8 24 Qd4+..Ndf6 25 Bxc8..Raxc8 26 Re6..c5! 27 Qh7..Qd8 the position would have been unclear.
Dec-19-14  ToTheDeath: Total domination, must have been a humbling learning experience for young Bobby.
Dec-19-14
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  harrylime: Internet chess forums ! lol

Exploding with opinions from folk who can't play ... lol

Tal was the best in the world and RJF came up against him at the wrong time lol lol ...

Dec-19-14  Rookiepawn: <harrylime: Internet chess forums ! lol Exploding with opinions from folk who can't play ... lol>

Is that your opinion?

Jan-24-17  Charousek.jnr: The attacking theme here is:"Breakthrough in the Center" which was modeled by Tal's 17th move c5! Fischer should have played b6 instead of Ng8,because that's where he made the decisive error and lost the game.
Apr-05-17  The Boomerang: "Exploding with opinions from folk who can't play ... lol

Tal was the best in the wor"

Always nice to see butthurt comments from you. They are everywhere.

Apr-05-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: Or not.

lol lol lol!

To coin a phrase.

Mar-25-18  Saniyat24: Knight, Knight...
Apr-07-20  carpovius: ToTal
Apr-07-20
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  harrylime: My top five chess players of ALL time ..

These two feature in it ...

just sayin ...

Apr-08-20
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  theagenbiteofinwit: <Richard Taylor> <I would say that Tal would have been a different proposition for Fischer if it hadn't been for severe illness.>

At one point Botvinnik believed that the future of the World Championship for decades was going to be decided by a struggle between Fischer and Tal.

Alas, Tal's physical health and Fischer's mental health prevented that from happening.

But Mikhail Tal and Fischer were probably had the closest friendship that two champions ever had. In 1959, in Zurich, Tal's Aunt Riva said:

<<<He was all full of energy and so bright. And that tall thin American, still just a boy, he used literally to hang on every word of Misha>>>

Apr-08-20  SChesshevsky: Kind of interesting. After losing to Tal twice in this line, looks like Fischer went to the kitchen and took a serious look and came up with 9...g5 kicking the B again. Think it's a pretty standard response now. Not sure if Fischer found it first but by CG database looks like he used 9...g5 seemingly next opportunity, around six months later, to win.
Apr-14-20
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  Richard Taylor: theagenbiteofinwit: <Richard Taylor> <I would say that Tal would have been a different proposition for Fischer if it hadn't been for severe illness.>

At one point Botvinnik believed that the future of the World Championship for decades was going to be decided by a struggle between Fischer and Tal.

Alas, Tal's physical health and Fischer's mental health prevented that from happening.

But Mikhail Tal and Fischer were probably had the closest friendship that two champions ever had. In 1959, in Zurich, Tal's Aunt Riva said:

<<<He was all full of energy and so bright. And that tall thin American, still just a boy, he used literally to hang on every word of Misha>>>

Yes. His style was different. Overall Fischer's style was closer to Capablanca etc or even Botvinnik. Although I think that the latter was more successful in a psychological sense: that is he looked after himself, corrected mistakes in his own playing. Fischer until the Spassky match seemed limited in his repertoire. I am not sure he would have beaten Karpov.

Actually, I think he was finished then. He seemed to actually have lost interest. He saw that the focus on himself was not good. Then he declined so that means he didn't hold the champs to be considered 'the greatest' or anything on that basis. Karpov played and won a number of tournaments as the WC and so did, of course, Kasparov.

But the tragedy of Fischer was his psychological state, or maybe we could say, his soul. He was deeply troubled.

Tal neglected his health which is not useful for winning tournaments. And not useful to enjoying life (which is more important) and living longer, which may or may not be so important. Both are rather sad cases...

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