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Benjamin Greenwald vs Robert James Fischer
New York State Open (1963), Poughkeepsie, NY USA, rd 3, Aug-31
Gruenfeld Defense: Exchange. Classical Variation (D86)  ·  0-1

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Kibitzer's Corner
Nov-30-04  buscher07: Nice. Very Nice. (29...Bf8)
Jul-07-06  sharkbenjamin: Bobby Fischer is the greatest player ever to live. Wow!
Aug-04-06  S.Brew: 25 Rd5 is a tad reckless?
May-04-07  Gameoverziggy: I wonder if white just missed the back rank threat
Jan-23-08  Resignation Trap: Greenwald was rated 2179 according to the October 1963 rating supplement. He tied for first with Max Cohen in the 1962 US Amateur Championship.

This game, and R Oster vs Fischer, 1963 (from round two in this event) is fully annotated by Fischer in the October 1963 issue of <Chess Life>.

Sep-10-11  thegoodanarchist: Back in 1963, a rating of 2179 was much better than it is today with all the rating inflation. Still, this guy was nowhere close to Fischer's class.
Sep-10-11  sfm: <Back in 1963, a rating of 2179 was much better than it is today with all the rating inflation.> Since all ratings in the world adjust to each other the problem should then be general? I.e., also the highest rated players of today are rated higher than they would be if they'd played with the same strength back then? This is not clear.
You could also point to rating deflation. Put 100 extremely talented young people rated 1600 together in a room, and let them play chess for 10 years. Their average rating will not increase - but they will be much too low rated when they are let out.
Dec-05-11
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  profK: 18.Bb5 has white holding his own very well.
Dec-05-11  King Death: < sfm: You could also point to rating deflation. Put 100 extremely talented young people rated 1600 together in a room, and let them play chess for 10 years. Their average rating will not increase - but they will be much too low rated when they are let out.>

Under the USCF system, that won't be true, because of the bonus points awarded in the system. Even though they did away with the bonus system a long time ago once a player got above (I think) 2100, you'd still have inflation. The average rating of this pool would probably be over 1600 after the very first event held and slowly go up. Even under the FIDE usage of the system, this happened.

Oct-06-14
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  HeMateMe: Why doesn't Greenwald play 14.Bxa5, destroying black's pawn majority on the Queenside?
Oct-06-14  TheFocus: Would you give Fischer two Bishops, even in that position? Two Bishops, and Fischer's Queen and Rooks able to take over the open files on the Queenside. Greenwald has yet to Castle, so Fischer is already ahead in development.

So first Greenwald Castles and gets his Rook developed. Then he captures the Knight, and Fischer uses the Pawn on a5 to support his Rook.

To me, White is strategically lost at move 14, whether he captured or not.

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