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| Oct-18-03 | | Brian Watson: mrv: 13.hxg4 Nxc3 doesn't win a pawn, it sacs a piece for two pawns. I'm not sure it's worth it -- it looks like it would be difficult for black to push his queenside pawns, and also difficult to develop his queen knight. druken: interesting suggestion, i'm having difficulty calculating it out: (i) 13.hxg4 Bxc3 14.Qb3 Nd2 15.Qxb7 (15.Nxd2 Bxd2 16.Bxd2 Rxe2) ..Nd7 (forced?) 16.bxc3 Nxf1 17.Bxf1, white comes out ahead. (ii) or a simpler idea, 13.hxg4 Bxc3 14.Qb3 Bb4 15.Bd3,
where black retains the pawn, but i think the knight will be forced to retreat to f6 (where it can be pinned) and white has compensation due to the disorder of black's pieces. |
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| Oct-18-03 | | drukenknight: Yes it is very interesting isn't it? It seems that Fischer left Uhlmann with a very tricky position and Uhlmann chose to take what appears to be the safe way but really amounts to slow death. The whole game is haunted by this move. But no one really wants to mention it, do they? (I will check the Wade/OCOnnel book to see) "You must play on the edge of the abyss." Petrosian (Suetin, I think is the soure for this quote). See these guys dont really see 20 moves deep they just create tricky problem for the opponent. It is perhaps unfair to criticize Uhlmann, I'm sure I could not stay 10 moves with him over the board, but you have to really look at situations like these in order to see how these guys turn minor problems into victory. I think the average person would just assume Uhlman has to play whatever the heck it was, and that's the end of it. So when the game is over, it's like magic, Abracadabra...Poof! Victory. Brian: may I suggest you choose one of the many tricky lines for black, w/o benefit of computer, and I will try to respond as white, just over the board, and see where it leads us? I'm watching the Yankee game but I can check back. Dont worry, I will probably leave a piece en prise or something, but you might find it interesting. |
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| Oct-19-03 | | Brian Watson: Sorry, I don't have a computer at home -- I log in at work on breaks, or sometimes go to the internet cafe. Also I don't own a board at the moment. So it's not practical . . . |
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| Oct-19-03 | | drukenknight: you could do it one move a day or whatever. hmm maybe I'll look at it again later... |
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| Apr-01-07 | | Skylark: Update of the analysis of 13. hxg4:
13. ... Bxc3! 14. Qb3! Bb4! 15. Bd3 Nd7 16. g5 (16. Bxe4 Rxe4 17. Bxd6 Nb6  or 16. Rfc1 Ndf6 17. g5 Ng4 18. Bxe4 Rxe4 19. Rc4 Rxc4 20. Qxc4 Qd7 ) 16. ... f5 17. Nd4!? cxd4! 18. Qxb4 Ndc5 19. Rad1 Nxg5 etc. I found this line interesting. Nxe4 was a nice swift way to destroy white's center and win material, and h3? was a pretty bad oversight. Only made possible by the bishop on f4 though ^_^ |
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| Jan-03-08 | | Eyal: <Skylark: Update of the analysis of 13. hxg4: 13. ... Bxc3! 14. Qb3! Bb4! 15. Bd3 Nd7 16. g5 (16. Bxe4 Rxe4 17. Bxd6 Nb6 or 16. Rfc1 Ndf6 17. g5 Ng4 18. Bxe4 Rxe4 19. Rc4 Rxc4 20. Qxc4 Qd7 ) 16. ... f5 17. Nd4!? cxd4! 18. Qxb4 Ndc5 19. Rad1 Nxg5 etc.> 15...Qf6! - as already played in B Vladimirov vs M Yudovich Sr., 1954 - is probably better for Black in this line, which might suggest an immediate 15.g5 instead of Bd3. In any case, 12.h3? is clearly a mistake (theory recommends here 12.Nd2 or Qc2, defending e4) - and might actually qualify as an opening trap. |
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| Jan-03-08 | | Eyal: ...falling into an opening trap, that is. |
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| Feb-19-08 | | notyetagm: <sangfroid: <what was wrong w/ 13 hxg4?>
13. hxg4 Bxc3 14. bxc3 Nxc3 15. Qd3 Nxe2+ 16. Kh1 Nxf4>
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click for larger viewBlack wins a piece -and- two pawns in this line.
Notice how Black <RELOADED> on c3 with the Black e4-knight (13 ... ♗g7x♘c3, 14 ... ♘e4xc3) because the knight becomes <RABID> (15 ... ♘c3x♗e2+, 16 ... ♘e2x♗f4) which the bishop cannot. |
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| Feb-19-08 | | notyetagm: <Skylark: ... and h3? was a pretty bad oversight. Only made possible by the bishop on f4 though ^_^>
click for larger viewYep, the <UNDEFENDED> White f4-bishop is what makes the entire combination beginning with 12 ... ♘f6xe4! possible. As Chernev/Reinfeld would say, <"LOOSE PIECES (White f4-bishop) ARE THE BASIS OF COMBINATIONS">. As such, the <UNDEFENDED> White f4-bishop goes into my Game Collection: Loose pieces are the basis of combinations. |
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| Apr-05-09 | | WeakSquare: Another top GM goes down without a fight against Fischer. Typical of Palma Interzonal and later events. |
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| Feb-10-10 | | Capabobby: In the final position, if 35. Rxd6??, Fischer would have simply played 35...Ke5! winning the exchange. I guess black resinged because he cannot take on d6 nor defend successfuly his own pawn at d5. |
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Feb-10-10
 | | HeMateMe: Uhlmann beat BF with that pesky french winawar, when fischer was 17. |
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| Nov-15-14 | | morfishine: An instructive game of high order. Black's positional strategy is leavened with a tactical initiative promulgated with an uncanny and persistent determination that stretches literally the entire game. Brilliant games do not necessarily feature brilliant sacrifices |
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Nov-15-14
 | | perfidious: <morf> See the lesser-known Korchnoi vs Lutikov, 1959 for something similar. Uhlmann's 12.h3 was known to be a clear error, even at the time this game was played. |
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| Nov-15-14 | | morfishine: <perfidious> Thank you sir! You are one of my favorite posters! Practically all of my spare time reserved for chess has been exploring 'positional play' over the past year or so. I don't think I would've taken this path if not for <DcGentle> Great game by Korchnoi; If Korchnoi is on a short list of best players not to be World Champion, would it be interesting to discuss what he was lacking? |
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Nov-15-14
 | | kevin86: Black is about to go two pawns ahead...which is a crushing advantage for Fischer. |
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| Nov-15-14 | | RookFile: Nothing unusual, Fischer just slapping a super GM around like a rag doll. |
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Nov-15-14
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Korchnoi vs Minic, 1971 |
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| Feb-13-15 | | MarkFinan: I guess no one plays 10.a3 for a reason because there's no games in the database, but I always want to stop that Bishop getting to g4 early on. 10.Be2 didn't fair too well here either, but then again white was playing Fischer!? |
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| May-14-17 | | Mithrain: Interesting comment by <drukenknight: See these guys dont really see 20 moves deep they just create tricky problem for the opponent.> Indeed, Fischer (we may say that Carlsen nowadays as well) created many little (or not that little) problems to his opponents and in the end it did pay off. |
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Dec-24-17
| | perfidious: <drukenknight....See these guys dont really see 20 moves deep....> It is neither necessary nor possible that even the greatest players should look that deeply; experience and knowledge count for a great deal indeed. <....they just create tricky problem for the opponent.> Of course: these elite players manage to pull this off time after time, and only very strong opponents manage to stay on the tightrope. |
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| Jan-22-21 | | SpiritedReposte: A very subtle and hidden final flourish answering the natural 35. Rxd6? with <35. ...Ke5!> and the rook must be jettisoned. |
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May-17-21
 | | kingscrusher: White had to try 18.Qg3
click for larger viewI think this can lead White to equality or even advantage if black is not careful. |
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| Feb-22-23 | | jerseybob: <WeakSquare: Another top GM goes down without a fight against Fischer. Typical of Palma Interzonal and later events.> 7.Bf4 is a less-played line than 7.Nf3, so one would expect that if Uhlmann was saving this "niche" line for Fischer, he'd know some of its ins and outs, especially considering the way iron curtain players worked on opening theory(see Smyslov-Reshevsky 1945 Radio Match). |
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| Feb-28-23 | | jerseybob: <Gottschalk: I think White better after 12. Nd2
Korchnoi vs Minic, 1971> Interesting to speculate what Bobby had planned in that case after 12..Bxe2 13.Qxe2; either 13..Nh5 as Minic played, or the tricky but playable 13..Nbd7. I'd bet the latter. |
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