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Bent Larsen vs Robert James Fischer
Fischer - Larsen Candidates Semifinal (1971), Denver, CO USA, rd 2, Jul-08
English Opening: Symmetrical Variation. General (A30)  ·  0-1



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Sep-01-12  Jim Bartle: Not sure, but I believe alphamale was one of the later names of a guy who posted under several names, and was kicked off for continual racist statements.
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  harrylime: <Jim> Well if that's true a sad end...

The 'King of the Jungle' is as libertarian an agent on this planet as you can find. And it's <AlphaMale> is as racially blind as you can find too...

It will eat anything.

Oct-07-12  Everett: < notyetagm: <notyetagm: What a tremendous game by Fischer this is.> Indeed.>


Oct-07-12  Everett: <After Game 2 I knew the match was lost. I should have won Game 2. Ask Piket's father. He's the one who pointed that out really. There was some really bad analysis going around, but Piket's father pointed out exactly how I should have won.>

If Larsen couldn't even remember the analysis of his supposed win after the match, how can one think that he would ever discover it during the pressure of a game?

The funny thing is, when I first saw this game, everyone praised Fischer's placement of his Q in the center of the board, and this is the first time I see that 28.Re3 Larsen would have had a strong advantage. The reason why this is notable is largely because it is another myth perpetuated by the chess story-makers.

Another thing, this may be the latest in a Fischer game vs either Larsen or Taimanov during his fantastic run when he was worse.

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  FSR: This is a Sicilian, Accelerated Dragon, Maroczy Bind by transposition, not a Symmetrical English.
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  thegoodanarchist: FSR is right, a Maroczy Bind if I ever saw one!
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  FSR: From after White's 5th move through White's 14th move, play is identical, move for move, with Nunn vs P Van der Sterren, 1974 and Nunn vs Igor Ivanov, 1987, both of which reached the Maroczy Bind through the "normal" Accelerated Dragon move order.
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  perfidious: <Everett: < notyetagm: <notyetagm: What a tremendous game by Fischer this is.> Indeed.>


The shock here is that <neverwillbeagoodplayer> did not shout after every move in typically overwrought fashion.

Or did he?

Mar-28-17  Dave12: 17..Qe5. Fischer violates one of the very basic principles of chess and puts his queen in a middle board danger. Like saying, Mr Larsen, do your work and don't relly on intuition.
Jun-11-17  RookFile: I knows that Fischer won, but if I was shown the position after white's 17th move I would say that white had a crushing advantage. You're right that Fischer saw more deeply into the specifics of the situation.
Jun-27-17  Howard: So, did Larsen ever have a won position ?
Jun-28-17  4tmac: No. Even Piket line 28. Re3! does not win with the 30...d5! improvement. (in fact, the complete Piket line may not win at all but I'm not sure about that) Well played game. 37. Bc4? may lose, not sure, doesn't matter after 38. Rc1?
Jun-29-17  4tmac: 3 comments/questions: (1) all six Taimanov games had a sealed move? (2) no Larsen game, including this one, had a sealed move? (3) the only one LIVE picture from either match (photo from actual game "in progress") was the CL&R cover from Larsen match?
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  Retireborn: I think it's true that all six Taimanov games had a sealed move (and the second game had two.) Not sure about the Larsen match.
Jun-29-17  Howard: As far as the comment three comments above this one, are you referring to some analysis that Agur did in a late-1987 issue of Chess Life?
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  Sally Simpson: Picture of Fischer v Taimanov 1971 (both complaining about the noise).

It is from this game.

Fischer vs Taimanov, 1971

This position with Fischer to play.

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  Sally Simpson: Same picture but with more details.

Jun-30-17  4tmac: <Retireborn> Taimanov match had 7 adjournments in 6 games! Thems were the days! (although a couple were resigned before resumption) <Howard> 28Re3! was a better try: 28. Re3! Rg8 29. Bxf5+ Kh6 30. Bh3 d5! 30..d5! was better than 30..Rg7 from an interview(?) (don't think Larsen ever had a win) 17..Qe5! Good Game!
Jun-30-17  4tmac: Thanks <Sally Simpson> Great picture! Good article and various views of the Norm theater. When you are playing the Taimanov Sicilian, you need to focus!
Jul-16-18  Howard: Is it possible that Larsen should NOT have taken the f5 pawn on Move 28? Offhand, one might suspect that just leaving the pawn alone--for the time being--might have made it more difficult for Fischer to activate his rooks.

Granted, Fischer would be a pawn up, but it'd be a doubled one.

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  ZonszeinP: This game was lost around the 5th hour of play. I understand that Larsen suffered from diabetes (altough I don't know whether that was already the case at the time)

If he did suffered from it
.I wonder how someone can stand such pressure without losing focus Especially againts such a formidable opponent

Jun-25-20  Howard: Some engine analysis around Move 28 would be helpful.
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  diceman: <Howard:

Some engine analysis around Move 28 would be helpful.>

1) +0.24 (37 ply) 28.Re3 Rg8 29.Bxf5+ Kh6 30.Bh3 d5 31.cxd5 Bxd5 32.Re5 Rd8 33.Rxe7 Rge8 34.Rxe8 Rxe8 35.Kg1 Re1+ 36.Kf2 Ra1 37.Ke3 Kg7 38.g3 Ra2 39.Rf2 Rxa3+ 40.Kd4 Bc6 41.Bg2 Bxg2 42.Rxg2 b6 43.Rb2 a5 44.Kd5 Re3 45.Kc6 Re4 46.bxa5 bxa5 47.Ra2 Re5 48.Ra3 Kg6 49.Kd6 f6 50.h4 Kf5 51.Kc6 Kg6 52.Kb6

2) +0.08 (36 ply) 28.Bxf5+ Kh6 29.a4 Bxa4 30.Re3 Rg8 31.Be4 Bc6 32.Rxf7 Bxe4 33.Rxe4 Rg7 34.Rf5 e5 35.g4 b5 36.cxb5 axb5 37.h4 d5 38.Rh5+ Kg6 39.Re1 Kf7 40.Rf5+ Kg8 41.Kg2 Rxg4+ 42.Kh3 Rg7 43.Rexe5 Rc8 44.Rg5 Rc4 45.Rxd5 Rxb4 46.Rxg7+ Kxg7 47.Rd6 Kh7 48.Rb6 Rd4 49.Rb7+ Kh6 50.Kg2

3) =0.00 (36 ply) 28.Rxf5 Kg7 29.Rg5+ Kf6 30.Rf5+ Kg7

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  diceman: <RookFile: I knows that Fischer won, but if I was shown the position after white's 17th move I would say that white had a crushing advantage. You're right that Fischer saw more deeply into the specifics of the situation.>

At 33-ply Stockfish considered Fischer's Qe5 best:

1) +0.38 (33 ply) 17...Qe5 18.Rad1 Ng4 19.Bxg4 gxf5 20.exf5 Qxc3 21.Qxc3 Bxc3 22.c5 Be5 23.Bf3 Bc6 24.Bxc6 Rxc6 25.Rf3 Kg7 26.Rh3 Rh8 27.g4 Rcc8 28.Kg2 f6 29.Kf3 Kf7 30.Rd2 Kg7 31.Rd5 Kf7 32.Rd1 dxc5 33.bxc5 Bb2 34.Rd3 a5 35.Ke4 a4

Jun-26-20  Howard: Thanks very very much for the engine analysis.
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