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| Sep-07-19 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: '28 Qb1 Bxd1 29 Qxd1 Qxe4 and now -
A. 30 Qf3 Qxe1+ and wins bluntly.
B. 30 Qd2 Qe2, forces the exchange of Queens and Black wins the ending easily.' What's wrong with 30 ... Nxg2 in variation B? |
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| Sep-07-19 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: I wonder whether Spassky saw this far:
28 Qxa4 Qxe4
29 Kf2 Nd3+
30 Kg3 Qh4+
31 Kf3 Qf4+
32 Ke2 Nc1++!
I doubt it and he didn't need to see the mate to realise his position was hopeless. |
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Sep-07-19
 | | harrylime: <<m.okun: Justin796: In my eyes Fischer was not a true champion...just a fluke that happened when Spassky gave in to pressure, antics, and Fischer's childlike demands. If you never defended your championship, you are not a true champion.
There is a simple explanation for why Spassky did not stop the match after the second game - money, a huge prize pool for those times, which was collected by Fisher. He did not pay the fee he received to the USSR to the treasury, which was unheard of. After that, he began to have troubles, as a result of which he emigrated to France.>> This has to be up there in the most MORONIC posts ever posted on this site lol lol lol lol lol lol lol |
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Sep-07-19
| | harrylime: Whats more revealing is NOBODY challenged it. Just shows you where this site is going.
lol lol lol |
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| Sep-08-19 | | sfm: <harrylime:
MORONIC .. lol lol lol lol lol lol ...
Whats more revealing is NOBODY challenged it.
Just shows you where this site is going.> Luckily there are people like you who - with convincing argumentation and considered choice of words - lifts it up. |
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| Sep-09-19 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: It's amazing how many bad moves Spassky made in this game. He was a fine attacking player, but his 8th, 9th and 13th moves blocked the position, inhibiting his king's bishop. His a-pawn became a target, as it did again in the 13th game. Transferring his queen's rook from b1, where it was at least targeting Black's b-pawn, to f2 was a bad idea. 26 Bd1 is obviously wrong, when 26 g3 was necessary. Perhaps Spassky was thinking of his mistake with g3 in the third game. Finally, 27 Qc2 is a colossal blunder.
The checkmate variation I gave in my previous comment just shows how badly positioned White's pieces were, almost smothering the white queen. |
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Sep-09-19
| | harrylime: <<sfm: <harrylime:
MORONIC .. lol lol lol lol lol lol ...
Whats more revealing is NOBODY challenged it.
Just shows you where this site is going.>
Luckily there are people like you who - with convincing argumentation and considered choice of words - lifts it up.>>fook off lol lol lol |
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| Sep-09-19 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: Sorry.
The last word of my previous comment should have been 'king.' |
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Sep-09-19
| | harrylime: <<N.O.F. NAJDORF: Sorry.
The last word of my previous comment should have been 'king.'>> Spassky deserves BETTER THAN YOOOOOOOOOZE lol lol lol |
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| Mar-11-20 | | Ulhumbrus: If 9 d5 leaves White with a crippled queen side and an obstructed bishop pair one alternative is the pawn sacrifice 9 0-0 when Black can gain a pawn on d4 but at the cost of undoubling White's c pawns and freeing White's bishops. |
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| May-03-20 | | joddon: pin and fork method, the greatest intervention in chess....you cant really think of what to do with your queen with two guys ever...Fischer was one of them!! CArlsen is the other...lol!! |
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Oct-27-20
 | | kingscrusher: Doubled pawns strategic crush example in Stean's Simple Chess |
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| Jan-13-21 | | Torodeboro: - A new form of 'weak pawns' is introduced, namely the pawns that block the way of their own pieces, in this case white's bishops, especially the light-squared bishop. The dark squared bishop's reach is limited by Fischer's pawns with which he created a strong dark squared pawn formation. He started did this by playing c5-d6-e5 and a5 and g5. - In the end Spassky blunders away the position with 27. Qc2??, but as Stein writes down it also shows that just defending a position (even for a worldclass player like Spassky) can disrupt the concentration at some point. - Fischer proves in this position that backward, isolated and doubled pawn don't have to be real weaknesses if they can be defended actively and create space or squares for the pieces to flourish. The moves 11… Ng6 and 16… a4 show this concretely.
In the end black is the one who can target white's pawns on a4 and e4.
Compare the acitivity of the pieces and you see that all three black's pieces are active and well placed All the three white's pieces are forced to mere defending. The open f-file and with that the forced trading of the rooks made it possible to leave white with just these passive pieces. I was familliar with the fact that doubled b or g pawns can actually be helpful if they create open a- or h-files. The moves 16… a5 (to block white's a-pawn) and especially the move 11… Ng6 are superb and also good examples in my eyes of the maxim: 'what matters most?! ' |
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| Apr-14-21 | | Caissanist: LOL, I was totally baffled by the GOTD "pun" when I brought this game up. I can only imagine what people will think when they see this five or ten years from now. |
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| Apr-15-21 | | Viking707: Fischer was a brilliant chess player with serious, and incurable mental problems. Spassky was well aware of Fischer's daunting talent, and must have been intimidated and/or shocked by Bobby's pre-match antics. In a quiet, sober setting, I still think Fischer would have won the championship, but Spassky would have performed at a higher level than he did. |
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Apr-15-21
 | | Dionysius1: Hi <Viking707> I don't know about them being incurable. I've never even heard of him submitting himself to an examination and diagnosis. Have you? |
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| Apr-16-21 | | Viking707: Dionysius: Fischer had a form of schizophrenia that got worse as he aged, and was incurable then. Perhaps with some of today's medications, he might have been able to mitigate its effects. But getting Bobby to take medications might have been as challenging as beating him at chess. |
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Apr-16-21
| | Dionysius1: Cheers <Viking707> I didn't know that. I never heard he'd been diagnosed, just persistent speculation as to what might have been wrong with him. It'd be great to know your sources, if you wouldn't mind. |
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| Apr-17-21 | | Caissanist: I find it strange that people still think Bobby was nuts. The main evidence for that was his belief in wacko conspiracy theories and, if we have learned anything in the last few years, it is that someone can believe in such things and otherwise be completely sane. In a sense, he was ahead of his time. |
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Apr-17-21
 | | beatgiant: <Caissanist>
That isn't the main evidence. The main evidence is the erratic and anti-social personal behavior, which sometimes became mildly violent (e.g. kicking a school principal). Anyway, this topic is not about this specific game, so I suggest discussing it on the Robert James Fischer page. |
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Apr-17-21
 | | perfidious: The following was originally posted by member <ChemMac>, who was quite well acquainted with Fischer: < <Monoceros> I had, as I posted some time ago, a long conversation with Fischer when he came unexpectedly into the Manhattan Chess Club. This was some months after winning the World Championship. In an hour and a half we talked about a lot, but what is relevant here is that he was (1) completely rational and courteous (2) quite clear about why he had, for the time being anyway, no desire to play. He said that he had achieved everything he had worked for during most of his life...and now, what? I think he was just :"chessed out".> |
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| Apr-18-21 | | Viking707: After playing Fischer, Mikhail Tal described him as "Cuckoo!" when Bobby was 15. Similar opinions of Fischer's mental abnormalities were mentioned by American chess masters, Robert Byrne, and Pal Benko. In addition, Reuben Fine, another American chess master and a psychiatrist, was asked by Bobby's mother to try and help her son, but after a few visits, Bobby revolted and treated Fine with anger and contempt thereafter. Valery Krylov, a specialist who worked with Anatoly Karpov, and saw the correspondence between him and Bobby, believed Fischer suffered from schizophrenia, and Asperger's Disorder.
There are also numerous stories from people who traveled with him about his bizarre and sometime dangerous behavior (he bit someone traveling in a car with him so hard, the scars were permanent).
Bobby's mother, and believed to be father, Paul Nemenyi, also had mental issues, and it is possible Bobby's problems were congenital.
Whatever the case, the preponderance of the evidence of Fischer's behavior reported by so many people who knew him, leads to the conclusion that he was seriously paranoid, and probably Asperger. |
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Apr-18-21
| | Dionysius1: <beatgiant>'s idea seems a good one. I'll copy the last few comments to the Robert James Fischer page and we can take it from there. Knowing my luck there won't be any more comments on this, but just so yous know :-) Dion |
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Apr-18-21
| | Dionysius1: That's them copied now. |
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| Jul-19-21 | | Albion 1959: The shortest game of this match. Qc2?? Brought about a swift conclusion ! It seems be universally accepted that Fischer stood better, even if Spassky had not blundered on move 27. I still do not see just exactly how Fischer would have won. There are no forcing lines and any further tactical passages of play. Other than Fischer is "winning". Surprised how Spassky handled this opening. He did not play his pet 4.Bg5 - The Leningrad line of the Nimzo. He had never lost a game with it, but could not bring himself to try it on Fischer! |
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