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Vladimir Kramnik vs Boris Gelfand
Linares (1993), Linares ESP, rd 13, Mar-14
King's Indian Defense: Saemisch Variation. Normal Defense (E81)  ·  1-0

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Jul-29-07  amuralid: Did Kramnik evaluate it as a win right from move 26? I tried playing (as white) against ChessMaster from move 32 onwards in 5 min vs 2 min and I am not able to win even once!
Jul-29-07  aazqua: That probably says more about the relative strength of you and Kramnik than it does about the position. Kramnik seems to be a pawn up essentially the whole game. Certainly nice technique all the way through but Gelfand must have missed something in preparation.
Jul-29-07  amuralid: <aazqua: That probably says more about the relative strength of you and Kramnik than it does about the position.> Can't be the relative strength. Kramnik of 1993 and me currently are roughly equal. I gave myself 5 min to play the whole game and Kramnik probably took an hour. It obviously must have be the time difference or the tougher opponent I am playing ;)

<Kramnik seems to be a pawn up essentially the whole game.> The "essentially" is what I am trying to get at through practice. May be this is too advanced a position for me use as a learning example. But I make several errors in the course of this endgame in terms of missed ideas.

Aug-03-07  kuna65: Hello, why didn't Kramnik take the pawn as in some other games of his (7th move)? Is this variation/gambit considered inferior now?
Aug-03-07  AlexandraThess: <kuna65> Yes, it is a well known gambit. It is proficient nowadays.
Aug-03-07  kuna65: I wish I knew what "proficient" means (?) :)
Aug-03-07  AlexandraThess: I meant that it is well-studied:) I have a monography on KID by Efim Geller who cites 3 games from the late 70's in which the black played 6....c5 . Geller says that 7.dc gives the black good chance to hold the draw. Maybe that's why Kramnik chose the more solid line, at least I guess so
Aug-03-07  spin: FYI - Proficient is usually an adjective describing a person not an inanimate object.

(from www.webster.com):

pro·fi·cient (adjective)
: well advanced in an art, occupation, or branch of knowledge

synonyms - ADEPT, SKILLED, SKILLFUL, EXPERT. PROFICIENT implies a thorough competence derived from training and practice <proficient in translating foreign languages>. ADEPT implies special aptitude as well as proficiency <adept at doing long division>. SKILLED stresses mastery of technique <a skilled surgeon>. SKILLFUL implies individual dexterity in execution or performance <skillful drivers>. EXPERT implies extraordinary proficiency and often connotes knowledge as well as technical skill <expert in the evaluation of wines>.

Aug-03-07  spin: To expound a bit - you could say that someone is proficient in the gambit, but you can't really say that the gambit is proficient.

I'm not trying to pick on you <AlexandraThess>, just trying to help <kuna>. I don't want him to go use the word around his boss or something and then have his boss think he's an idiot.

Aug-03-07  beenthere240: Any synonyms come to mind for "pedant"?
Aug-03-07  kuna65: Thank you all for your chess and language help.
Aug-03-07  spin: <beenthere240> touche

I swear I'm not trying to be an ass... It just bugs me when someone misleads someone else (whether knowingly or unknowingly).

Nov-24-07  Karpova: <amuralid: <aazqua: That probably says more about the relative strength of you and Kramnik than it does about the position.> Can't be the relative strength. Kramnik of 1993 and me currently are roughly equal.>

Kramnik had an Elo of 2685 at that time. He drew Kasparov, Karpov and Anand in Linares 1993 end ended up with +2 (he won against Kamsky, Ivanchuk, Gelfand as you can see, etc.)...

Game Collection: Linares 1993

Dec-27-10  KingG: Gelfand missed 16...Nxe4! 17.fxe4 Rfd8 18.Qxc5 Nd3+ 19.Bxd3 Bxc3 20.Kf2 Qxc5 21.Bxc5 Bxa1, winning the exchange for a pawn.


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