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Alexander Zaitsev vs Aivars Gipslis
USSR Championship (1969), Moscow URS, rd 18, Oct-02
Bogo-Indian Defense: Grünfeld Variation (E11)  ·  0-1

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Nov-10-05
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  patzer2: <svbabu> If 39. fxe4 then 39...Qg2+! (not 39...Rxe4?? 40. RxQ ) 40. Ke1 Rxe4! . See explanation in post from <HannibalSchlecter> above.
Nov-10-05  HoopDreams: I thought it was Rg2, winning the queen or mate
Nov-10-05  YouRang: I think I got a different solution. I found 38...Bxe4, figuring that 39. fxe4 would be met be 39...f3, giving this position:


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(white to move)

The e2 rook is attacked. If the rook moves (say 40. Rd2), then 40...Qxf2+ 41. Rxf2 Rh1#.

If 40. Rxf3, then 40...Qxf3 (winning the exchange, and threatening Rh1# or (if the king moves to e1) Rxf2 (winning a knight too).

Anyway, unless someone refutes the 39...f3 move, I'll consider this a solution. :)

Nov-10-05  YouRang: <HoopDreams: I thought it was Rg2, winning the queen or mate > I considered that too, but I think white's defense is 39. Nh3.
Nov-10-05  trumbull0042: trumbull0042: <chessadept: I saw the same Qf2 line.

As for the Rg2-g1 line... I think 39. Nh3 counters it, eg:

38...Rg2 39.Nh3 Qxh3 40.Rxg2>

Rather, 38...Rg2 39. Nh3 Rxe2 40. Kxe2 Qxh3 and black has just won a piece.

Nov-10-05  grobmaverick: <zb2cr> I went Rxe4 as well. It looks OK but will probally take a while longer.
Nov-10-05
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  kevin86: I,too went for the queen loan at f2-gaining a knight,but since this is THURSDAY,I had the feeling the something deeper was in the offing.
Nov-10-05  YouRang: <trumbull0042><Rather, 38...Rg2 39. Nh3 Rxe2 40. Kxe2 Qxh3 and black has just won a piece.> True! So perhaps 38...Rg2 should qualify as at least a "minor" solution.
Nov-10-05  grobmaverick: This one is way above me but HIARCS9 has just given Rxe4 mate in 11 moves. f3xe4 f3, Rxf3 Qxf3, Ke1 Bg3, Kd1 Bxf2,Kc2 Bxe4+,Kb2 Qxe2+, Kb3 Be3, Nc3 dxc3,Qa1 Qc2+,Ka3 Bc6, g5 Qa4++. Time for a glass of red wine.
Nov-10-05  FORTRAN 77: I was thinking Rg2
Nov-10-05  FORTRAN 77: but its wrong
Nov-10-05  FORTRAN 77: Yes this Gipslis is very good
Nov-10-05  sitzkrieg: welcome to the site fortran. Why is Rg2 wrong?
Nov-10-05  Dionyseus: I saw 38...Rg2 with the idea of Rg1+ to win queen.

Here's the top 5 moves according to Shredder 9.1, with their numerical pawn values:

A. Bxe4 mate in 9
38...Bxe4 39.fxe4 Qg2+ 40.Ke1 Rxe4 41.Rae3 fxe3 42.Kd1 exf2 43.Qd2 f1Q+ 44.Kc2 Rxe2 45.Kb2 Rxd2+ 46.Ka3 Ra2+ 47.Kb3 Qb1 mate

B. Rxe4 mate in 11
38...Rxe4 39.fxe4 f3 40.Rxf3 Qxf3 41.Ke1 Bf3 42.Kd3 Bxe4 43.Qf1 Rxf2 44.Rxf2 Qe3+ 45.Kd1 Qb3+ 46.Ke1 Qb1+ 47.Ke2 Qc2+ 48.Ke1 Qc1+ 49.Ke2 d3 mate

C. d3 mate in 14
38...d3 39.Rxd3 Bxe4 40.fxe4 Qg2+ 41.Ke1 Rxe4 42.Kd1 Rxe2 43.Rd8+ Kf7 44.Qd2 Qf1+ 45.Kc2 Qxf2 46.Nd6+ Bxd6 47.Kb3 Rxd2 48.Ka4 Rb2 49.Rd7 Ke8 50.Re7+ Bxe7 51.g5 Rb4+ 52.Ka3 Rh3 mate

D. Re6 mate in 14
38...Re6 39.Ke1 Rxe4 40.fxe4 f3 41.Nd6 Rh1+ 42.Kd2 Qf4+ 43.Ree3 dxe3+ 44.Rxe3 Rxc1 45.a6 Rf1 46.Nd3 Qh2+ 47.Kc3 Bxd6 48.e5 Ra1 49.Nf2 Qxf2 50.Kb3 Rb1+ 51.Ka3 Qb2 52.Ka4 Qb4 mate

E. Rg2 mate in 21
38...Rg2 39.Nh3 Rxe2 40.Kxe2 Bxe4 41.fxe4 f3+ 42.Kd1 Qxh3 43.Qd2 Qxg4 44.Kc2 Qxe4+ 45.Qd3 Qe1 46.Nxd4 f2 47.Nf3 Re2+ 48.Nd2 f1Q 49.Qd5 Qf7 50.Qd8+ Re8 51.Qd3 Bf4 52.Rb3 Bxd2 53.Rb5 Qc1+ 54.Kb3 Qd1+ 55.Ka3 Bb4+ 56.Rxb4 cxb4+ 57.Kxb4 Qxd3 58.a6 Qfxc4+ 59.Ka5 Qb5 mate

Nov-10-05  DP12: Its key to see Rg2 Nh3!
Nov-10-05  FORTRAN 77: <sitzkrieg> Hi here the idea is that the Knight on f2 is overloaded so Be4 is the best
Nov-10-05  YouRang: According to Little Chess Partner 1.09 (granted, probably not as strong as Fritz/Shredder, but hey...) the 39...f3 move I proposed earlier is <mate in 9>:

38...Bxe4
39. fxe4 f3 40. Rxf3 Qxf3 41. Ke1 Rxf2 42. Nxd4 Rf1+ 43. Kd2 Bf4+ 44. Rd3 Qxe3+ 45. Kc2 Rxc1+ 46. Kb2 Qc3+ 47. Ka2 Ra1#

If any of you with stronger engines could have a look at 39...f3, I would be interested in seeing if it could do better than LCP. :)

Nov-10-05  sitzkrieg: So Rg2 is not wrong but just a longer way to win!
Nov-10-05  Dionyseus: <YouRang> After 38...Bxe4 39.fxe4, f3 is equally as strong as Qg2+.
Nov-10-05  YouRang: <Dionyseus> Thanks!
Nov-10-05  TTLump: 39. fxe4 loses instantly because of ...
39. ... f3! and it's all over but the Kibitzing! (Black's Queen is even stronger on f3 after the necessary Rook sac, Black's dark Bishop gets to play, etc. etc.)
Nov-10-05  erikcu: This was tough to say the least... I love those replies, that had less of a clue than me, telling the 'obvious' rebuttle to 39. fxe4... especially after crafty posts a 10 ply line explaining. Thanks crafty, that was a tough line for me to see.
Nov-11-05  Dionyseus: <TTLump> There's really nothing better than 39.fxe4 for white. All the alternatives lose quicker. Here's some example lines:

A. Qd1
39.Qd1 Bd3 40.Qxd3 Qg2+ 41.Ke1 Qxf2+ 42.Kd2 Rxd2+ 43.Qxe2 Qxe2+ 44.Kc1 Qc2 mate

B. Qb1
39.Qb1 Bd3 40.Qxd3 Qg2+ 41.Ke1 Qxf2+ 42.Kd2 Rxd2+ 43.Qxe2 Qxe2+ 44.Kc1 Qc2 mate

C. Ke1
39.Ke1 Bg6 40.Qd1 Qxf2+ 41.Kd2 Rxe2+ 42.Kc1 Rc2+ 43.Kb1 Rc1+ 44.Kxc1 Qb2 mate

D. Nxd4
39.Nxd4 Bd3 40.Ke1 Qxf2+ 41.Kd2 Qxd4 42.Qc2 Rexe2 43.Kc1 Rxc2+ 44.Kd1 Qg1 mate

Nov-11-05
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  Richard Taylor: I found the first move of this -didn't see the clever continuation - but B:e4 was clearly winning.
Nov-11-05
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  Richard Taylor: <YouRang: I think I got a different solution. I found 38...Bxe4, figuring that 39. fxe4 would be met be 39...f3, giving this position white to move)

The e2 rook is attacked. If the rook moves (say 40. Rd2), then 40...Qxf2+ 41. Rxf2 Rh1#.

If 40. Rxf3, then 40...Qxf3 (winning the exchange, and threatening Rh1# or (if the king moves to e1) Rxf2 (winning a knight too).> I looked at that line and I knew that Bf4 was on the agenda so White is lost after f3... once you find Be4 you can soon find the solution or solutions - one already has the idea of breaking lines to the White K etc <Anyway, unless someone refutes the 39...f3 move, I'll consider this a solution. :)> It is - you have the main ideas - and Bf4 is coming up...

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