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Aivars Gipslis vs Istvan Csom
Olot (1973), Olot ESP, Mar-??
Sicilian Defense: Richter-Rauzer Variation. Traditional Vartiation (B63)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Jun-21-20
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  drollere: call me crazy. i started with 18. b4 Qa3+
19. Kd2
Jun-21-20  NBZ: 18. Bb5 was my move as well. Taking the bishop must lose for Black, since after 18. ... Bxb5 Nxb5 the knight on d7 can't move due to the threat of Rd8+.

I am not sure exactly what White should do after 18. Bb5 Qc7 19. Qb4+ Ke8, but with the Black king firmly stuck in the centre White should have a strong attack and good winning chances.

Jun-21-20  Honey Blend: 18. b4 looks interesting as 18. ... ♕xb4 19. ♕d8#, and if 18. ... ♕b6 or 18. ... ♕c7 to guard d8, 19. b5 wins.

Best reply looks to be 18. ... ♕a3+ 19. ♔d2 f6 20. exf6 ♘xf6 where there's no immediate danger but the queen is trapped in a3 for now giving White some advantage.

Jun-21-20  Honey Blend: Or maybe it isn't literally trapped, but say if after 21. ♖e1 ♕xb4, then 22. ♖xe6 threatening ♖xf6+ followed by ♕xf6+, winning the ♖h8 now that ♗c4 covers g8.


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Jun-21-20  Brenin: I went for 18 Nb5, threatening the a pawn since the Q must defend d8, e.g. 18... a6 19 Nd6 Nxe5 20 Nxb7, followed by Rd8+. It's not as good as 18 Bb5, but I think it works.
Jun-21-20  goodevans: It took me about a minute to choose 18.Bb5 over 18.Nb5 and about another to find 18...Qc7 19.Qb4+ Ke8 20.Ne4.

Feels a bit easy for a weekend puzzle. More like a Friday.

Jun-21-20  Honey Blend: After 18. b4 ♕c7 19. b5


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19. ... ♗xg2 20. b6 axb6 21. ♘b5 ♕c8 22. ♘d6 and the f-pawn will soon be a juicy target.


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Just having some fun with the b-pawn push.

Jun-21-20  siggemannen: This was somewhat underwhelming...
Jun-21-20  RandomVisitor: After 17...Kf8: Bb5 and b4 are strong moves.


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Stockfish_20061707_x64_modern:

<58/101 5:48:13 +8.15 18.Bb5 f6 19.Bxc6> Nxe5 20.Ba4 Ke7 21.Qe4 Rb8 22.Qxh7 Rd8 23.Qxg7+ Nf7 24.Re1 Qg5+ 25.Qxg5 Nxg5 26.h4 Nh7 27.Bb3 Nf8 28.Nd5+ Kf7 29.Nc7 Rd6 30.Nb5 Rd8 31.Nxa7 Kg6 32.Nb5 Kh5 33.g3 Kg4 34.Re3 f5 35.Bc4 f4 36.Be2+ Kh3 37.gxf4+ Kxh4

58/102 5:48:13 +7.29 18.b4 Qa3+ 19.Kd2 g5 20.Qh6+ Ke8 21.Rb1 Nxe5 22.Be2 Ke7 23.Qxg5+ f6 24.Qg7+ Nf7 25.Rb3 Rd8+ 26.Bd3 Qa6 27.b5 Qb6 28.bxc6 Qxc6 29.Kc1 b6 30.Bxh7 Qe8 31.Nb5 Qh8 32.Rg3 f5 33.Bg8 Qxg7 34.Rxg7 Kf6 35.Rxf7+ Kg6 36.Re7 Rxg8 37.Nd4 f4

58/92 5:48:13 +4.72 18.Nb5 h6 19.Nxa7 Nxe5 20.Rd8+ Be8 21.Bb5 g5 22.Rxe8+ Kg7 23.Qf2 Rxe8 24.Bxe8 Qxa2 25.Qd4 Qd5 26.Qxd5 exd5 27.Nc8 Kf6 28.Nb6 Ke7 29.Ba4 Kd6 30.Bb3 Ng4 31.Nxd5 Nxh2 32.Ne3 f6 33.Nf5+ Ke5 34.Nxh6 Nf1 35.Ng4+ Kf5 36.Bc4 Ng3 37.Nf2 Kf4

Jun-21-20  The Kings Domain: Tough but nice puzzle. :-)
Jun-21-20  MrCarciofo: <drollere> I just thought the same, exploiting the back rank weakness; the engine says b4 +2.64; moving the knight +0.65. We must be proud indeed.
A good sunday...
Jun-21-20  mel gibson: I got the correct move myself which is different from the bad move in the text.

Stockfish 11 says:

18. Bxb5

(18. Bb5
(♗c4-b5 f7-f6 ♗b5xc6 ♘d7xe5 ♗c6xb7 ♔f8-e7 ♗b7-f3 ♕a5-b6 a2-a4 a7-a6 ♖d1-e1 ♕b6-b8 ♕h4-e4 ♔e7-f7 ♖e1-d1 h7-h5 a4-a5 h5-h4 ♕e4-b7+ ♕b8xb7 ♗f3xb7 h4-h3 g2-g3 ♖h8-b8 ♘c3-e4 ♘e5-c4 ♗b7xa6 ♘c4xa5 ♘e4-c5 e6-e5 ♖d1-d7+ ♔f7-g6 ♗a6-d3+ ♔g6-h6 ♖d7-d6 ♘a5-b7 ♖d6-b6 ♘b7xc5 ♖b6xb8 ♘c5xd3+ c2xd3 e5-e4 ♔c1-d2 e4xd3 ♖b8-h8+ ♔h6-g6) +7.02/32 )

score for White +7.02 depth 32

Jun-21-20  schachfuchs: Sorry, but what is the point of this puzzle/game - ending in an uninteresting draw position? Should we find 18.Bf5 instead?
Jun-21-20  Hercdon: <Schachfuchs> Yes
Jun-21-20
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  OhioChessFan: Well, that's 15 minutes of my life I'll never get back. I didn't notice the game score was 1/2, and was shocked White's first move was a Knight move. I kept clicking through and wondering how White could win, where's the win, boy, Black is a tenacious defender, figure it out, what is White's plan, never seeing it, keep clicking. Pawns dropping off, now I'm thinking all Rook and Pawn endings are drawn, how does White win this, then it was suddenly over....
Jun-21-20
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  OhioChessFan: FWIW, I went with 18. b4, Black has to lose material to keep the Queen on the d8 diagonal. Then White moves the Knight in the game and I assumed I'd missed something.
Jun-21-20
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  drollere: <<drollere> I just thought the same, exploiting the back rank weakness>

18. b4 Qc7
19. b5 Bxg2
20. Qd4

i wasn't attracted to 18. Bb5 because it just seems to trade bishops. oh boy.

Jun-21-20  Cheapo by the Dozen: Another bad puzzle; the engine thinks there's a winning move, while the game line takes White to a disadvantage.

That says, it was pretty easy to see that playing to b5 is a sham sacrifice, which hence can reasonably be done on Spielmannesque faith. I went with Nb5, so that after an exchange of minor pieces Black would have difficulties with his knight. The engine likes that less than Bb5, but still sees it as advantageous for White.

Jun-21-20  RandomVisitor: One source I read stated that Gipslis and Csom were both rated 2540 in 1973, the year this game was played.
Jun-21-20
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  chrisowen: Feels like teen spirit no?
Jun-21-20  goodevans: <Cheapo by the Dozen: Another bad puzzle; the engine thinks there's a winning move, while the game line takes White to a disadvantage.>

I agree that this is another bad puzzle. It matters not a jot that Gipslis failed to find a winning move, what makes this a bad puzzle is that there are at least three winning moves out there to find (as per the SF analysis posted by <RandomVisitor> earlier). I prefer a puzzle to have just the one solution.

Jun-21-20  petemccabe: Yeah, what is "insane" about this? There are multiple moves that are relatively easy to find that all are relatively good for White.
Jun-21-20
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  agb2002: The black queen and bishop are tied to the defense of d8 and the knight respectively. These details suggest Nb5 and Ne4.

I don't know. I'd probably play 18.Nb5 with the idea 18... a6 (18... Bxb5 19.Bxb5 wins a piece at least) 19.Nd6 Nxe5 20.Nxb7 Qb6 21.Rd8+ Be8 22.Nd6.

Jun-21-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  Jambow: Well would you believe I worked out the entire continuation all the way as played until move 56!!!

Ok well how about I didn't get the first move and would have played 18.Bxe6 and it goes down hill from there.

Happy fathers day mine was good puzzle aside.

Jun-22-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  sophiephilo: I would never have got this in a million years.
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