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Jose Raul Capablanca vs Adrian Garcia Conde
"Conde Minimum" (game of the day May-20-2006)
Hastings (1919), Hastings ENG, rd 8, Aug-19
Spanish Game: Morphy Defense. Steinitz Deferred (C79)  ·  1-0



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Feb-01-04  Lawrence: Capa plays King + 7 pawns against King + 6.
Feb-01-04  Flyboy216: Man, this game is hilarious. I haven't studied Capa's game extensively, but it's amusing how forcefully he trades down all the pieces so his perfect endgame can shine through :)
Apr-19-05  micartouse: Hi everyone, my first post! This site is really cool, I had to sign up.

Does anybody understand 26 ... Ke8? Why not just ...c6? The move jumps right out at you, but I plugged it into Fritz and it seems to agree that ...c6 is strongest.

Also, doesn't 29 ... Nf6 seem like a horrible idea against Capa? Black has other ways to develop his knight. Maybe he just assumed he could block the pawns all up after 30. Nxf6.

I guess what I'm saying is, didn't he kind of just hand Capa the victory here a little too easily? I admit, the 39. b4! idea is pretty impressive, but you'd expect that out of most GM's I think. Cool game.

Apr-19-05  Gwinnett: <micartouse> Welcome, dear chess friend of ours! I'm happy that you researched 26...c6 and indeed it makes intuitive sense, a feeling reinforced by Fritzy's nod if you gauged its mood. But please remember that this game is from 1919, and the opponent of Capablanca is an unknown. Who says that all players should be blessed with intuitive judgment as good as yours anyway? =)
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  beatgiant: <micartouse>
On 26...c6 27. Nb6, White goes after the a-pawn, and I don't see a good defense (27...d5 28. Nd7+ Ke7 29. Nxc5). What did Fritz find?
Apr-19-05  Boomie: It looks like black can draw after c6. Here's a long winded line from Herr Fritz. 26... c6 27. ♘b6 ♔e7 28. ♘c4 a4 29. ♘b6 ♔f6 30. ♘xa4 ♔xf5 31. ♘b6 ♘f6 32. a4 ♔e6 33. f4 ♘e8 34. ♔f2 ♘c7 35. ♘c4 ♘a6 36. g4 d5 37. f5+ ♔f6 38. ♘a5 ♘b8 39. ♔e3 g6 40. fxg6 fxg6 41. c3 h5 42. gxh5 gxh5 43. b4 cxb4 44. cxb4 ♔e5 45. h4 d4+ 46. ♔e2 ♔e4 47. ♔d2 ♔f3 48. ♘b3 ♔g4 49. ♘xd4 ♔xh4 50. ♔e3 ♔g4 51. ♔f2 ♔f4 52. ♘e6+ ♔e4 53. ♘c5+ ♔d4 54. a5 ♔c4 55. a6 ♘xa6 56. ♘xa6 ♔b5 57. ♘b8 ♔xb4
Apr-19-05  RookFile: Something wrong with 9. Nxc6?
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  beatgiant: <Boomie>
I'm generally skeptical of such long computer lines in endgames. I don't have much time to analyze this one now, but at first glance, 26...c6 27. Nb6 Ke7 28. Nc4 a4 29. Nb6 Kf6 30. g4 looks like an improvement over Fritz's line. I'd expect Capa to win this.
Apr-19-05  Boomie: <beatgiant> You're right. That line was way too long. 30. g4 is a good try. Black can move the king to g5 and f4 to cause some problems. I'm sure Capablanca circa 1919 would beat Herr Fritz in this endgame or any game for that matter.
Apr-19-05  paladin at large: <RookFile> After 9. Nxc6 Qd7 10. N retreats Nxe4. I assume Capa preferred to develop rather than trade pawns, the black one being a doubled pawn, so not a net gain for Capa longer term. Or, 9. Nxc6 Qd7 10. Nx e7 Qxe7 and Capa probably did not want to have to play f3 to save the white e -pawn.
Apr-19-05  RookFile: I'm afraid I don't understand, paladin. This doesn't seem to be in Capa's character. For example, when
Marshall uncooked his famous gambit
in the Ruy Lopez against Capa, the
chess machine played right into it anyway, even though he knew that Marshall had prepared analysis before the game. Then he outcalculated Marshall right on the spot.

So we look at this, and we see
9. Nxc6 Qd7 10. Nxe7 Qxe7, and I see
Capa as simply playing 11. Nc3. Black
then castles instead of blundering his queen away, and Capa follows up with 12. Re1.

Apr-19-05  RookFile: Might be that the game score is wrong,
maybe black played ... Bd7 first,
then ...Be7
Apr-19-05  micartouse: Thanks everyone for my first kibitz. Yeah, it looks like Capablanca was winning since the beginning of the endgame. No surprise!

Now I just wish I could understand these endgames. This one just looked like a flurry of random king and knight movements to me (assuming you don't trade knights straight away). I wish I could just sort of "get it" right away and not calculate through millions of meaningless variations. Thanks all!

Apr-19-05  micartouse: <RookFile> You're right that 9. Nxc6 wins one. <This doesn't seem to be in Capa's character.>

I can't speak for the guy, but maybe it goes like this: he may not have taken Conde very seriously and felt "Why bother? I don't need a pawn to beat this guy!" and just played Nc3 Morphy-style. Whereas with Marshall, he was facing an upper echelon grandmaster bloodthirsty for revenge, and everyone would be watching. So what he calls his "honor" (ego) was indeed in jeopardy and he had to take.

Or maybe he missed 9. Nxc6 here! :)

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  Calli: The score is obviously wrong. 8...Bd7 as <rookfile> says.

<micartouse> This is Capablanca's "pawn island" theory at work. He swaps down because blacks pawns are in three groups and white only has two. According to Capa, this is a big advantage.

Apr-20-05  paladin at large: <Calli><RookFile> You are very observant. I checked a compendium of Capablanca's games (Weltgeschichte des Schachs) and lo and behold, Black's 8th move is Bc8-d7. <> It seems that a change of Black's 8th and 9th moves is required. (The moves were transposed, apparently. Black's actual 9th move was Bf8-e7.)
Sep-05-05  notyetagm: Capa makes chess look so damn easy.
May-20-06  Castle In The Sky: Conde-Rice?
May-20-06  thathwamasi: conde-minimum...hehe funny....conde rice would have been funnier..but i guess blck shd have atleast drawn the game to have earned that
May-20-06  Seethamraju: The game is nice but I could not figure out some moves like a6,Ba4,bd7,Re8,Rfe1,Re2,Nh7,b4 and axb4
May-20-06  centercontrol: hi evry1.i would like to know of any online game analysis engine,other than chesslab ofcourse. thanks in advance
May-20-06  EmperorAtahualpa: Whoa! 39...b4! is very least I think it is...

How do computers evaluate 39...b4?

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  Richard Taylor: The endgame was better for White - with Black's doubled pawns and isolated a pawn being worse than White's pawns with the White king near them. This doesn't mean there wasnt defence but it was hard for Black.

I got into a similar endgame the other night - except Queens stayed on - realised that I had more space and my Queen was better placed than my opponent's - so I swapped down to nuetralise any attack he might have. He also played c5 and I played Nf5 (positon a bit diferrent of course but some similarities of method or structure)

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  OhioChessFan: I have to agree that c6 sure looks better. And again, Nf6 looks like a bad idea, though I don't see many options for Black to get his Knight into the game. But to trade off pieces a pawn down, and take a double Pawn in the process has just got to be a bad idea. Maybe Nf8-d7-b6? Though slow, Black is already in a wait and see posture.
May-20-06  ReikiMaster: I agree with <Boomie>. Capa would not trade off pieces without seeing a clear benefit. I've seen an interesting article comparing old masters performance with current rating system - Capa was the only one who would have exceeded 2900!
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