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Garry Kasparov vs Miguel Illescas Cordoba
Madrid Rapid (1988) (quick), Madrid ESP, rd 6, Dec-??
Benoni Defense: Benoni-Indian Defense. Kingside move order (A43)  ·  1-0

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Sep-11-05  Queens Gambit: Poor Illescas he was trying to surprise Kasparov with Benoni, nice game by garry.
Sep-22-05  Queens Gambit: Somebody has an opinion of this game???
Oct-06-05  Queens Gambit: I love this game, and since im a patzer to analize some positions i say it again: i would like to hear some comments about this game
Oct-07-05  nescio: <Queens Gambit: I love this game, and since im a patzer to analize some positions i say it again: i would like to hear some comments about this game> But you don't specify the position(s) you would have analyzed. Black is struggling the whole game, but he has a pawn for his pains, so that's allright. However, after 25...g5, allowing White to trade his queen for two rooks, he seems to be lost. I suggest 25...Rxd1 or 25...Rd7 as improvements. There is an interesting intermezzo at the 19th move. 19...g6 allows 20.Bxf6 (20...Kxf6? 21.Qc3+), but Kasparov doesn't want the pawn back and just keeps building.
Oct-07-05  Marco65: <nescio> Nice nickname, are you from Genoa (Italy)?
Oct-07-05  nescio: <Marco65:>
It's a nice town with a splendid republican and sea-faring history, but I don't suppose people still speak Latin over there. Or has the word survived in present-day Genoese? No, I live in the Netherlands.
Oct-07-05  alexandrovm: wow garry, impressive game.Such a bold decition to play with without the queen but with two rooks, where white's king is exposed.
Oct-07-05  meloncio: <Marco65><nescio> Many years ago at the school, a teacher of mine used to say "We are still speaking Latin today! ... just a little degenerated". :-))
Oct-11-05  Marco65: <nescio> Well sorry I thought you chose that nickname to make fun of yourself. "Nescio" in the local dialect means "a little dumb". It is a very soft remark, not a true insult, a little like "silly" I suppose.

For sure it comes from Latin, it would be nice to understand how the meaning has changed in that area. Maybe at some era there was someone really dumb who always answered "nescio" to any questions, and people started to call him "nescio".

Oct-11-05  nescio: <Marco65:Well sorry I thought you chose that nickname to make fun of yourself.> I did, but inspired by the many games of "NN" in this database.

<"Nescio" in the local dialect means "a little dumb".> So my question was not rhetorical after all?

<it would be nice to understand how the meaning has changed in that area> Yes, I would also be interested in this little historical linguistic tidbit.

Oct-11-05  AlexanderMorphy: Yet another win for Kasparov, and this one is according to me one of his best!
Oct-11-05  Poisonpawns: What happens if illescas plays 10.Bd7 instead of moving the king?
Oct-11-05  Averageguy: <Poisonpawns>I don't know, it certainly looks better than the game continuation.
Oct-23-05  alexandrovm: <Averageguy: <Poisonpawns>I don't know, it certainly looks better than the game continuation.> then Miguel could not win a pawn by the manouver he made later. That is, there would be just a exchange of bishops, and that's it.
Oct-23-05  Caissanist: Appropriately enough for a game lost by a Spaniard, "necio" is a common word in Spanish as well; it comes from the word "science" ("ciencia"), and sort of means "not thinking scientifically".
Oct-24-05  alexandrovm: <it comes from the word "science" ("ciencia"), > I'm sorry but this is wrong: It comes from the latin nescium and means an ignorant or fool person.
Oct-24-05  Caissanist: Alexandrovm is right of course, I misspoke. What I meant to say is that it comes from the same root word as "science". For those who are interested in such things, this page gives a detailed etymology (in Spanish): http://www.elalmanaque.com/Feb2000/....

Oct-24-05  blackjacki2: Did Kasparov see 11..nxc2+ and 12...Qa5+? It looks like something that would be fairly obvious for a grandmaster to see, but I don't understand why Garry would give away a pawn like that. Also, why did black give away a free piece by letting white's knight take two bishops?
Oct-24-05  alexandrovm: <It looks like something that would be fairly obvious for a grandmaster to see, but I don't understand why Garry would give away a pawn like that.> yes, I was surprised at this too. It' hard to believe he did it on purpose. But again, is fairly obvious for a GM to see so...it was a bold decition perhaps? Provoking Miguel so that Garry could counter? Perhaps...
Oct-24-05  alexandrovm: <For those who are interested in such things> thanks for the link my friend :)
Nov-04-05  Caissanist: I believe that with 10.Bb5+ white is offering a pawn sacrifice and with 10...Ke7 black is accepting it. I don't know whether the sacrifice is "sound", but since black eventually cracks under the pressure it was obviously a good practical decision.

<alexandrovm> You're welcome!

Nov-04-05  Caissanist: <Also, why did black give away a free piece by letting white's knight take two bishops?> Remarkably, black must either lose a piece or get mated (or both) in the position after 33.Nxg7. Black does have a lot of choices as to how he can lose: he can get mated on the a-file, get mated on the eighth rank, lose his bishop through a pawn fork, lose his bishop through a rook skewer, or (as in the game) let the piece go and try to get some play for it. But it's a matter of how, not if--if 33...Kxg7 then 34.Rd6 wins the bishop or mates. Crafty gives the following as best play (after 33...Kxg7 34.Rd6):

depth=14 2/40 +2.76 34. ... gxf3 35. Bxf6+ Kf8 36. Re7 Bg6 37. Rd8+ Be8 38. Kxf3 Qb5 39. Rdxe8+ Qxe8 40. Rxe8+ Kxe8 41. Ke4 Kf7

I spent a couple of hours playing the black position against Crafty, and I'm convinced that black is busted in every line. It's a very instructive ending; with this pawn configuration white's king is remarkably safe while black's is completely exposed, and that makes all the difference.

Nov-09-05  lopium: That's a great beautiful game!
Mar-02-07  The Chess Express: 10 Bb5+ Ke7 seems like an inexplicable blunder from such a strong player. 10. Bb5+ Bd7 11. Bxd7+ Qxd7 12. Qb3 d5 should equalize. I prefer 8. Ng5!

TCE

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