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| Oct-06-11 | | Dr. J: <Dionysius1: Is there still beauty?> There is more, not less, without question. |
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| Oct-06-11 | | LIFE Master AJ: Page #98 of the <1983 Dover Edition> of "The World's Greatest Chess Games," by R. Fine. He gives this game ... and the one against Samisch. |
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Oct-06-11
 | | FSR: <Once> I thought of the Tromp, but chose not to mention it because the knight isn't actually pinned, which is why 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 is possible. And in the related Torre Attack (1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bg5), where the knight is pinned, the bishop <is> guarded. That is indeed a good thing, as some Tromp practitioners (Trompsters?) have learned. Z Djordjevic vs M Kovacevic, 1984 |
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Oct-06-11
 | | Honza Cervenka: 12.Bd5 is not very difficult to find but it is sweet. |
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| Oct-06-11 | | LIFE Master AJ: <Honza> You are then a pretty darn good player ... |
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| Oct-06-11 | | LIFE Master AJ: I stared at the diagram for some time, before I caught it. Sad thing is, I studied this game as a kid, used to have a book on Janowsky that someone gave me in New York. |
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| Oct-06-11 | | David2009: Janowski vs E Schallopp, 1896 White 12?
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Crafty End Game Trainer interactive link to the puzzle position as above: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t.... You are white, drag and drop the move you want to make. I blundered badly with 12.Nd5? met by 12...Kd7! turning the tables (I think). Against 12.Bd5! the EGT defends with
the game line 12...exd5 13.Qxc6+ Kd8 14.Qxa8+ Kd7 15.Qb7+ Ke6 16.Qc6+ as far as move 16 but then varies with 16...Kf5!? to leave
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since 17.Qxd5+?? Qxd5 18.Nxd5 is met by 18...Bf6! winning back the N. Instead try 17.Qd7+! first. Time to study the earlier kibitzes. |
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| Oct-06-11 | | sevenseaman: Missed you and Crafty, welcome back! |
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| Oct-06-11 | | stst: main defense is the Bk Q on the diag.
so use the B to block:
12.Bd5 exd5
13.Qxc6+
IF (A) 13...Ke7, 14.Nxd5+ Kd8, 15.Qxa8+ Kd7, 16.Qxa7+ and with the other B, W should prevail
IF (B) 13...Kd8, 14.Qxa8+ and similarly overwhelming for Bk
The rest should be pretty easy for W. |
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| Oct-06-11 | | TheBish: Janowski vs E Schallopp, 1896 White to play (12.?) "Medium:
White wins with 12. Bd5!, simultaneously defending the Ra1, attacking the queen and shielding the queen from its defense of c6. After 12. Bd5! exd5 13. Qxc6+ Kd8 (or 13...Ke7 14. Bc5+ Kd8 15. Qxa8+) 14. Qxa8+ followed by 15. Kd2, White wins easily. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Close enough! |
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Oct-07-11
| | Honza Cervenka: <LIFE Master AJ: <Honza> You are then a pretty darn good player ...> Thanks for the compliment but I don't think that to find the key move of this puzzle is such a great deal. In the position after 11...Qxg2 the move 12.Bd5 is practically forced, as the only reasonable alternative 12.Rf1 (12.Nd5 Rc8 leads nowhere and is clearly bad) 12...Ne7 is not much puzzle-solving-like continuation anyway, and it is quite grim for white too. 12.Bd5 simply covers the Rook and interferes (with a tempo) the black Queen's protection of Pc6 with decisive effect. It is not necessary to look much further than two or three (pretty much forced) moves from there to decide that 12.Bd5 wins the game due to winning of material. What is quite amazing is the fact that Janowski had to foresee 12.Bd5 already when he played 8.Ne5. |
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Oct-07-11
| | Honza Cervenka: Btw, the puzzle could start already from the position after black's 8...Qxd4(?). Of course, it would be much tougher task to calculate that 9.Nxc6 wins....:-) |
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Oct-18-20
 | | al wazir: 17...Bf3 18. Qxd6+ (18. Bxd6 d4) Kf5 19. Qe5+ Kg6. Now what? |
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Oct-18-20
| | al wazir: There was nothing "big" about Lebowski in the movie. Stupid pun tied to a stupid movie title. And "Janowski" isn't much closer to "Lebowski" than it is to "Tchaikovsky." |
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| Oct-18-20 | | spingo: I agree with <Al Wazir>. There must be 100s of chess players whose names end in -bowski or -ovski, many of which would be better candidates for this film title. I remember the film slightly - I believe it was based on someone doing a wee-wee on a mat. |
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Oct-18-20
 | | beatgiant: <al wazir>
White can try a double rook sacrifice with 17...Bf3 18. Qxd6+ Kf5 <19. Ne2> which looks like a win to me, but as Black I'd definitely play on and see what White would find. |
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Oct-18-20
| | beatgiant: Similar to my post above, maybe 17...Bf3 18. Qxd6+ Kf5 <19. Nb5> is simpler. It looks like Black will have to drop a serious amount of material to stop the attack. |
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| Oct-18-20 | | Brenin: <al wazir>: If 17 ... Bf3 18 Qxd6+ Kf5 then 19 Nxd5, threatening 20 Ne3+, looks stronger than Qxd5+. For example, if 19 ... Bxd5 then 20 0-0-0 wins, and if 19 ... Qxh1+ then 20 Kd2 Qxa1 21 Qe5+ with mate to follow. |
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| Oct-18-20 | | morfishine: <al wazir: There was nothing "big" about Lebowski in the movie. Stupid pun tied to a stupid movie title. And "Janowski" isn't much closer to "Lebowski" than it is to "Tchaikovsky."> We've disagreed in the past, however today, I'm firmly in your camp LOL (the game is pretty cool though) |
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Oct-18-20
 | | Messiah: I plagiarized this pun from <harrylime>, so your disappointment should be redirected to him. |
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| Oct-18-20 | | goodevans: I'm not going to complain if an interesting game is accompanied by a mediocre pun. It seems we were 'out of the book' very early in this game and Schallopp just didn't know how to react to Janowski's 7.Qa4+ Nc6 8.Ne5. 12.Bd5 was worth the price of admission on its own. |
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| Oct-18-20 | | morfishine: <goodevans: I'm not going to complain if an interesting game is accompanied by a mediocre pun> Exactly, quality and interesting games are an effective salve to poor game titles |
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Oct-18-20
 | | Breunor: Losing move is 8 .... Qxd4 .
It looks like Black can hold with the odd looking 8 ... a6. 1) +0.59 (22 ply) 8...a6 9.Nxg4 b5 10.Bxb5 axb5 11.Qxb5 Ne7 12.Ne5 Qxd4 13.Nxc6 Qe4+ 14.Be3 Qxc6 15.Nc3 Qxb5 16.Nxb5 Nd5 17.a4 Be7 18.Ke2 O-O 19.Rhc1 Rfd8 20.Bd4 Nf4+ 21.Kf3 Nd5 22.Rc4 Bg5 23.Nc3 Be7 24.Nxd5 Rxd5 With the actual move, assuming white finds the right moves, black is already lost: 1) +3.38 (26 ply) 9.Nxc6 Qd7 10.Bb5 Rc8 11.Qxg4 Nf6 12.Qg3 bxc6 13.Ba6 Rd8 14.Nc3 Ne4 15.Qf3 Nxc3 16.bxc3 Bc5 17.Rb1 O-O 18.O-O Qd5 19.Qe2 Qf5 20.Rb7 Rd6 21.Be3 Bxe3 22.fxe3 Qe5 23.Rxa7 c5 I suspect that black missed the oft-discussed 12 Bd5 in the line he chose.. |
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Oct-18-20
| | Honza Cervenka: Much simpler seems to be 16.Kd2. |
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| Nov-01-20 | | MordimerChess: Beautiful tactic. Younger Janowski outcalculated 53y old Schallopp. Full video analysis of this incredible game: https://youtu.be/DkBJTp5ZdSM
Enjoy! |
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sac: 12.Bd5