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Garry Kasparov vs Anatoly Karpov
"Take the a-Train" (game of the day Mar-22-2013)
Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match (1984/85), Moscow URS, rd 6, Sep-26
Queen's Indian Defense: Fianchetto. Check Variation Intermezzo Line (E15)  ·  0-1



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May-01-16  Howard: By the way, it wasn't discovered until many years later (probably by a computer) that 56...Rh2 would also have won. The Informant, in fact, claims it only would have drawn.

But the books Anatoly Karpov: Endgame Virtuoso and also Karpov's Strategic Wins (Volume 1) both point out that 56...Rh2 would also have been good enough for the full point.

Jul-24-16  ajile: I just played through this opening and was hoping for 12..f5 but it didn't happen.

: /

Sep-08-16  PJs Studio: Beautifully played game by Karpov, but I'm impressed Kasparov lasted as long as he did with such a bad position. Almost held the half point.
Mar-21-17  paavoh: @ajile: <I just played through this opening and was hoping for 12..f5 but it didn't happen.> Karpov leaving a hole on e5 so early in the game?? Somehow I do not see it...
Apr-29-17  bkpov: Position after move 20? How many in data base
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  Zhbugnoimt: If you run this game through an engine, you will see that after 15...Nb6? 16.c5! White is already nearly winning, and that 25.Qh5! followed by Qe5 gives White a completely winning position. This is not an amazing display of Karpov's play; Karp played horribly (objectively speaking), and was lucky Kaspy didn't make use of his 5 pieces out of play on the a file.
May-22-18  Saniyat24: This game is amazing and unbelievably out worldly...!
Jun-18-18  Omnipotent00001: 57...Rg2 mates in 36 moves.
Jul-10-18  Everett: As stated before, 27.Nf5 is nearly decisive. Karpov’s play up to this point was provocative, aesthetic, yet apparently unsound.
Jul-10-18  Everett: 22..Qb6 is an improvement

This game mirrors many of the Ruy’s these two played over the years, with Karpov dominating the Q-side while seeing if Kasparov can get to the former’s king.

Karpov was a risky player in a way, a minimalist defender of his king while pressing for positional concessions elsewhere. Kasparov was one of the few (only?) players to punish him for it.

Mar-26-19  drdos7: In this position after Black's 24th move (24...Nc3?) Karpov hangs a piece (the knight on c3):

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25.Qh5! wins

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  offramp: Here is the McGrillen-Formanek game.

[Event "London-B"]
[Site "London"]
[Date "1973.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "McGrillen, Hugh"]
[Black "Formanek, Edward W"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A59"]
[PlyCount "117"]
[EventDate "1973.??.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventCountry "ENG"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1999.07.01"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 b5 4. cxb5 a6 5. bxa6 g6 6. Nc3 Bxa6 7. Nf3 Bg7 8. e4 Bxf1 9. Kxf1 d6 10. h3 O-O 11. Kg1 Na6 12. Kh2 Qb6 13. Re1 Nd7 14. Re2 Ne5 15. Nxe5 Bxe5+ 16. Kh1 Rfb8 17. Be3 Nc7 18. f4 Bg7 19. Bg1 Nb5 20. Nxb5 Qxb5 21. e5 Ra4 22. Qd2 Rxf4 23. exd6 exd6 24. Qxf4 Qxe2 25. Rf1 Rb7 26. Rf2 Qe5 27. Qxe5 Bxe5 28. b3 Kg7 29. Re2 Rb4 30. Bxc5 Rb5 31. Be3 Rxd5 32. Rd2 Rb5 33. Rd3 Rb8 34. Kg1 Kf6 35. Kf2 Ke6 36. Ke2 f5 37. a4 d5 38. a5 d4 39. Bxd4 Bxd4 40. Rxd4 Rxb3 41. Ra4 Rb7 42. a6 Ra7 43. Ke3 Ke5 44. Ra5+ Ke6 45. Kd4 Kd6 46. Ra3 Kc7 47. Ke5 Kb8 48. Rb3+ Ka8 49. Rb7 Rxa6 50. Rxh7 Kb8 51. g4 fxg4 52. hxg4 Kc8 53. Re7 Kd8 54. Re6 Ra5+ 55. Kf6 g5 56. Rb6 Ra4 57. Kxg5 Ke7 58. Kh5 Kf7 59. g5 1/2-1/2

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58.Kh5?= (better is 58.Rg6+-}.

Mar-27-19  RookFile: I guess Kasparov thought he could ram the d pawn through, which is why he passed up on 27. Nf5 winning.
Jul-26-19  ajile: <paavoh: @ajile: <I just played through this opening and was hoping for 12..f5 but it didn't happen.> Karpov leaving a hole on e5 so early in the game?? Somehow I do not see it...>

Black gets a Dutch Stonewall with light squared bishop issue solved. BTW the cg team won a game as Black in a Queen's Indian Defense 12..f5 variation.

Jul-26-19  ajile: Y Shulman vs The World, 2007
Jul-26-19  thegoodanarchist: GK tried to prove that all rook endings are drawn.

It isn't true, you know.

Jul-19-20  Ulhumbrus: Some annotators have indicated that with 27 Nc6? Kasparov moves the knight to an attractive looking square and goes on to lose whereas the move 27 Nf5 moving the knight to another attractive looking square would have won.

This suggests that it is not enough to play the knight to an attractive looking square and that the player must also make the right choice of attractive looking square.

Nov-18-20  fisayo123: Great pun , amazing game. I think one of the all time great games in WC matches.

Kasparov's problem with Karpov in 1984 was 3 fold:

He didn't understand his style, he didn't fully appreciate his strength, and he was a predominantly 1. d4 player, which played into Karpov's hands.

Karpov was too well versed in the subtleties of the Queen's Indian. 1. e4 was the way to at least make him look more human, more beatable.

The endgame that results here is fascinating. The position after 51...Rb2, i'm not sure is possible for a human to hold.

Nov-18-20  RookFile: Karpov had some great ideas in the openings. He had people like Igor Zaitsev working for him who gave him some weapons.
Feb-24-21  tbontb: A hard endgame to analyse as ordinary engines struggle but the position after 52....Rxh2 must be judged winning for Black. In particular, 56....g4 appears decisive as 57....Rg2 is a tablebase win while it is hard to find a viable alternative to Kasparov's 57.Rxh6. The earlier try 43.Re7 a5 44.Rxg7 a4 45.Re7 a3 46.Re1 a2 47.Ra1 Kd5 48.Kg2 Kd4 49.f4 Kc3 50.Kf3 Kb2 51.Rd1 a1=Q 52.Rxa1 Rxa1 is again a tablebase win.
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  g15713: Chess 'User: tbontb

Sorry, I did not see the above post of yours until I was ready to submit
but you confirm that bottom line is 43. Re7 while a nice try does not draw

Chess 'User: Honza Cervenka

<"Do you mean white? I am not an expert on rook ending but I think that white could keep draw. It seems to me that Kasparov played the ending too passively and that he should try to create a passed pawn on the kingside by advancing of his pawn majority or maybe by playing 43.Re7.">
<"or 43.Re7 a5 44.Rxg7 a4 45.Re7 a3 46.Re1 a2 47.Ra1 Kd5 48.Kg2 Kd4 49.f4 Kc3 50.Kf3 Kb2 51.Rd1 a1=Q 52.Rxa1 Rxa1 53.Ke4 Rh1 54.h4 h5!?67 67 55.f5 Rf1 56.Ke5 Kc3 57.f6 Rf3 58.Ke6 Kd4 59.f7 Ke3 60.Ke7 Kf2 61.g4!! hxg4 62.f8=Q Rxf8 63.Kxf8 g3 64.h5 g2 65.h6 g1=Q 66.h7 and black cannot win.">

E. 1.0
Black to move at 53 in above line

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Syzygy says the position is a win for Black

E. 1.1
Black to move at 60 in above line

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Syzygy says the position is a win for Black after 60...Ke4!

Sample line after 60...Ke4
61. g4 hxg4 62. h5 g3 63. h6 g2 64. f8=Q Rxf8 65. Kxf8 g8=Q 66. h7 Qd4 67. Kg8 Qd8+ 68. Kg7 Qe7+ 69. Kg8 Kf5 70. h8=Q Kg6

Black mates in 3

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Sep-30-21  Gaito:

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Kasparov played here 49.f4, which at a cursory glance seems to be the natural move. Worthy of consideration was 49.Kb1 with the idea of replacing as soon as possible the poor blockader (the rook) for the right blockader (the king), for example: 49... Ke4 50.Rc2 Kf3 (On 50...Kd3, 51.Rc7 should draw) 51.Ka2 Ra5 52.Rc7 g5 53.Rh7 Ra6 54.Rf7+, and it would be extremely difficult for Black to win this ending, and very likely the outcome should be a draw. In the opinion of the engine (SF14) the ending should be a draw. See diagram below:

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Sep-30-21  Gaito: <May-01-16 Howard: By the way, it wasn't discovered until many years later (probably by a computer) that 56...Rh2 would also have won. The Informant, in fact, claims it only would have drawn.>

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Position after 56.Ra6. BLACK TO MOVE

Yes, 56...Rh2!? would also have won, but it would have taken much longer. In fact, Black's best move in the position of the diagram was 56.Rd3! The move played by Karpov (56...g4) also was sufficient to win, but the computer believes that it was Black's second best move. The move you suggest (56...Rh2) was Black's third best move, according to the engine SF14, but it would also have won in the long run.

A possible continuation:
56...Rh2 57.Ra4 Rg2 58.Ra3 Kg4 59.Kc1 Kh3! 60.Kd1 g4! 61.Ke1 h5 62.f5 Rb2 62.f6 Rb6, and Black should eventually win. See diagram below:

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Sep-30-21  Gaito: On the other hand (see first diagram of previous comment), after 56...Rd3! Black would have won more quickly and more easily, e.g. 57.Rxh6 g4 58.Rh5+ Ke4 59.Re5+ Kf3 60.Kc2 Rd6 61.f5 Kxg3 62.Re6 Rd4 63.f6 Rf4 64.Kd3 Kh3 65.Ke3 Rf1 66.Ke2 Rf5, and Black's g-pawn marches on very rapidly and unmolested. See diagram below:

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Jan-10-23  51893: <offramp: Here is Yasser Sierawan's opinion, from an interview with Hanon W Russell> Fischer denied the occurrence of this interaction in his September 8, 2000 radio interview
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