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Anatoly Karpov vs Garry Kasparov
"White Key Symphony" (game of the day Mar-06-2005)
Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match (1985), Moscow URS, rd 4, Sep-12
Queen's Gambit Declined: Charousek (Petrosian) Variation (D31)  ·  1-0

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Jul-27-14  Xeroxx: This game proves that Karpov was a better player than Kasparov.
Jul-27-14
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  perfidious: Which, of course, is why Karpov was unable to win this match or any of the subsequent ones between these titans for the title.
Jul-27-14  john barleycorn: <perfidious: Which, of course, is why Karpov was unable to win this match...>

no, that was because it was arranged...

Seriously, the matches in 85 and 86 were so close that declaring any of the two athletes a better player is ridiculous, imo. 1984 was 1984 - big brother year.

Aug-24-14  Everett: <AnalyzeThis: I don't think Fischer really believed the games were fixed, he was just playing games with all of us.>

He was playing games with himself, and lost (his mind.)

Oct-26-14  tranquilsimplicity: <Perfidious> "Which, of course, is why Karpov was unable to win this match..." And the sarcasm that deflates illogical and fatuous concepts keeps coming...ha ha ha ha! I love the way you do it.#
Oct-26-14
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  perfidious: <Capabal: When Fischer walked down the street, he could (if he wanted to) imagine the sidewalk as alternating light and dark squares. Then, if he saw someone stepping on light squares 18 times in a row, he might call the authorities for “fixed” walking.>

So he might have done.....very good!

Feb-07-15  WDenayer: Fischer was crazy, sad but true. These matches were not 'arranged.'
Jan-03-16
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  thegoodanarchist: 28.Bh5 is a GM mystery move. What the heck is going on?

It is a symbol of Karpov's mastery of chess. Who else could find such a move?

Dec-02-16  N.O.F. NAJDORF: Fischer's allegations of pre-arranged World Championship match games was a regurgitation of his claim that twelve games at the 1962 Candidates' Tournament had been prearranged.

He even told Dick Cavett, when asked by him to explain what he meant when he had made allegations of cheating, that they had pre-arranged the results of games in order to prevent him from winning the tournament.

My own feeling is that if this game did convince Fischer of anything, it was that he would have found it very difficult to last the distance against Karpov in a match of a limited number of games.

Dec-29-16  SpaceRunner: "He even began saying that the Karpov - Korchnoi matches were pre-arranged."

Who would know? It was dangerous times!
Korchnoi told in "The day Kasparov quit and other chess interviews" 2006 by Dirk Jan ten Geuzendam" that "Today we know that Fischer's accusations were spot-on"p. 240

Furthermore Kortnois wife also states "Tal told us that everything had been prepared. If Viktor had won he would have simply been eliminated as soon as possible.' Really?
'Yes. Because it was unthinkable that a dissident would be world chess champion. Triumphs over the Soviet Union. This is something one can only understand if one understands communism.'p.172

It sounds crazy I know but similar stories are told by several russian and english players...

Dec-29-16
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  WorstPlayerEver: Yeah, chess players write for money, but usually they can't write. That's why they've to come up with a lot of bs.
Dec-29-16
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  Clement Fraud: Bobby Fischer was a very perceptive man; it is and always has been the case that chess' international hierarchies are guilty of corrupt practices. I do, however, feel that BF was mistaken when he suggested that the games between Karpov and Kasparov were ever fixed (they hated each other too much to have ever consented to that). I do have to say, though, that Bobby was right when he stipulated that drawn games should not be counted in matches for the world championship.
Dec-29-16
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  WorstPlayerEver: Interesting, I think Bobby made this statement about KK '84-'85 during the Belgrade part of the '92 match? Not sure. However, when Bobby spat on that US document, he wasn't thinking too far ahead anymore. And he must have felt the most out of place by then; he wasn't there for chess in Belgrade. It was for the cash. Kind of sad really.
Jul-18-17  Toribio3: Exploitation of the white squares by Karpov was a key component to his success in this game.
Jul-21-17  Johnnysaysthankyou: White in this game has a classic attacking advantage. He's up a piece!
Jul-21-17  john barleycorn: < Johnnysaysthankyou: White in this game has a classic attacking advantage. He's up a piece!>

oha.

May-16-18  Carnictis: Karpov 6-4, after 52 games. With a masterpiece.
May-23-18  DonPepe: How did he do that? Awesome!
May-23-18  Howard: I recall reading once that at one point during the game, someone in the press room was quoted as saying, "It should be a draw, but I'd hate to have to defend (Black's position) against Karpov."

Not even Kasparov was able to do so.

Aug-13-18  Howard: So, 42.Qf5 would have been a much better move---despite having played this game over at least 2-3 times, I wasn't aware of that.
Aug-13-18
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  beatgiant: <Howard>
<42.Qf5 would have been a much better move>

He did play 40. Qf5, reaching the identical position, in the actual game. Are you saying there's a better move than 41. Qe6+? Otherwise, what difference would it make?

Aug-14-18  Howard: Excuse me, but I was referring to White's 42nd move, not his 40th. Sounds like you misread my comment.

I'm glad I'm not the only person who makes these minor mistakes! I've done a few typos on this website, myself.

Aug-14-18
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  beatgiant: <Howard>
No, I did not misread your comment.

White played 40. Qf5, <reaching the identical position> that he could have reached by playing 42. Qf5. Black then replied with the forced 40...Kg8 which is the same thing that would have happened after your suggested 42. Qf5. White then played 41. Qe6+.

Is there a better move than 41. Qe6+? If not, your suggestion would merely transpose with the actual game, which continued 42. Qg6 Kg8 <43. Qe6+> (the same position that occurred on move 41).

Hope this clarifies. In light of the above, <what difference would it make?>

Oct-21-20
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  PawnSac: < Xeroxx: This game proves that Karpov was a better player than Kasparov. >

Karpov was born in 51, Kasparov in 63. So Anatoly is 12 years older. In the 1984 match Anatoly was 33 and Garry 21. In the 1990 match Anatoly was 39 and Garry 27.

1984 G 3 - A 5 ( +3 -5 =40 )
1985 G 13 - A 11 ( +5 -3 =16 )
1986 G 12 1/2 - A 11 1/2 ( +5 -4 =15 )
1987 G 12 - A 12 ( +4 -4 =16 )
1990 G 12 1/2 - A 11 1/2 ( +4 -3 = 17 )

So counting only the games from WCC match
Garry beat Anatoly +21 -19 =104
That's only a 2 game lead in 144 games!

That does not demonstrate a significant superiority. The simple truth is.. all players have their strengths and weaknesses. Karpov was a powerful (better) positional player, like a boa constrictor. Kasparov was stronger tactical player. It's more likely to see a pawn or piece sac from Garry than Anatoly. But there's no question about it, in the overall picture, both players were significantly above the rest of the world, and their matches were a clash of the Titans. If we factor in the age difference, I'm of the opinion they were the two most closely matched players of any WCC cycle.

Oct-22-20  fabelhaft: I think it also should be factored in that when Kasparov won the title after 72 of those match games he was still more than 150 Elo below his peak. He was only 24 when the fourth of those five matches were played.

Apart from being a great player Karpov was a stylistically diffficult opponent for Kasparov (just like Kramnik). If one looks as also other results Kasparov did better over all.

After two matches Karpov had +9-7=40 against Korchnoi but I’d say the difference between the two at that time was slightly bigger if one looks also at other results.

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