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Garry Kasparov vs Anatoly Karpov
Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match (1990), New York, NY USA, rd 4, Oct-17
Spanish Game: Closed Variations. Flohr System (C92)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Jan-12-05  Andrew Chapman: In The Ruy Lopez for the Tournament Player by Gary Lane, it states that Karpov's camp discovered afterwards that 39..d4 only draws after 40.Qe4. One line is 40..d3 41.Bd1 d2 42.Bg4 d1Q 43.Bxd1 Rxd1 44.Qe8+ Kh7 45.Nf8+ Kg8 46.Nd7+ wins for white. 42..h5 leads to draw by perpetual check.
Jan-12-05  Everett: 22...Bf7 has been lauded as an outstanding and exceptional defensive move, according to Seirawan's book on the match. The whole position, of course, is clearly beyond me.
Jan-12-05  WMD: <In The Ruy Lopez for the Tournament Player by Gary Lane, it states that Karpov's camp discovered afterwards that 39..d4 only draws after 40.Qe4.>

I'm sceptical. Does it say what White plays after 41...Qd4 in the quoted line?

Jan-12-05  Andrew Chapman: <I'm sceptical. Does it say what White plays after 41...Qd4 in the quoted line?>39..d4 40.Qe4 d3 41.Bd1 Qd4. It doesn't say. 42.Qe6+ Kh7 43.Ne7 and it's not over yet. Lane mentions that others suggested that simply 39..a4 is probably winning.
Jun-24-06  spirit: oh...what beauty...beautiful!!!
Jun-24-06  lopezexchange: are these moves accurate? Absolutly horrible. So many blunders. Karpov should have played 25...Bxe6; 26.Re3,Qc4; 27.fxe6,Be7 winning. Also at move 26 should have played 26...Qa5, 27.Nh4,d5 winning At move 28 should have played 28...Rb8

And the final position it is a clear win for black. How did he accept a draw? Simply play 32...cxd3; 33.Rxd3,Bxe6; 34.fxe6,Qc6 winning. This is an easy win for black! If this game is properly recorded, then this is the most glaring example of pre-arrangement! Shameful!

Jun-24-06  TommyC: I think the game score is incomplete. My database gives:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 O-O 9.h3 Bb7 10.d4 Re8 11.Nbd2 Bf8 12.a4 h6 13.Bc2 exd4 14.cxd4 Nb4 15.Bb1 c5 16.d5 Nd7 17.Ra3 f5 18.exf5 Nf6 19.Ne4 Bxd5 20.Nxf6+ Qxf6 21.Bd2 Qxb2 22.Bxb4 Bf7 23.Re6 Qxb4 24.Rb3 Qxa4 25.Bc2 Rad8 26.Rbe3 Qb4 27.g3 a5 28.Nh4 d5 29.Qe2 Qc4 30.Bd3 Qc1+ 31.Kg2 c4 32.Bc2 Bxe6 33.Rxe6 Rxe6 34.Qxe6+ Kh8 35.Ng6+ Kh7 36.Qe2 Qg5 37.f6 Qxf6 38.Nxf8+ Kg8 39.Ng6 Qf7 40.Ne7+ Kf8 41.Ng6+ 1/2-1/2

which also tallies with what I remember of the game at the time. I'll report the error.

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  offramp: This game is a truncated version of Kasparov vs Karpov, 1990. I have alerted the authorities.
Jul-01-06  lopezexchange: Pre-arranged game. Blatantly so.
Jul-01-06  TommyC: If the K's were going to prearrange a game, they'd at least make it a good one, silly.
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  offramp: <lopezexchange: Pre-arranged game. Blatantly so.> All commenys on this game will soon be deleted; it is a duplicate.
Jul-01-06  lopezexchange: TommyC, maybe you can stick to chess, huh? Too much to ask, or maybe you feel better when talking like that?
Jul-01-06  TommyC: The internet is freer than a free country, and I will do as I please. Btw, I don't see how calling your point silly is somehow worse than claiming a game *which was never played* was actually pre-arranged, btw.
Jul-01-06  lopezexchange: Yes, the internet is free. Is that why you act like this? The game was played. I did not refer to the wrong entries but to the ones below. Get it? Stick to chess. I assume you are an adult. Act like it. It is simple if you try. I made chess related remarks. Im not interested in name calling with you, or in philosophical discussion of internet freedom. It is free, but I prefer to stick to chess. Thats why Im on a chess Forum. If I wanted abuse or philosophy, I would be on these other kinds of forums.
Jul-01-06  TommyC: Such principle! Alongside groundlessly accusing a non-existent game as being pre-arranged. I guess I'm just not grown-up enough to be as discriminating as you, old bean.
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  offramp: <lopezexchange>

Twice you have been directed to the correct score of this game. Yet even after that you said:

<Jul-01-06 lopezexchange: Pre-arranged game. Blatantly so.>

What is your hang-up?

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  offramp: <TommyC: Btw offramp, do you know how come this 'game' hasn't been deleted yet?!>

Have you ever seen the film 'From Hell' with Johnny Depp?

The <> office is similar to the scene where Inspector Abberline is in a London opium den.

People lie on their backs and smoke from hookahs - am I allowed to say hookahs? Occasionally one of them will rouse and look at the computer screen. What he sees there will sometimes make him weep uncontrollably or, sometimes, laugh like a hyena in heat.

You may have to wait a while for this game to be deleted.

Jul-03-06  TommyC: I see! Thanks for the enjoyably graphic and amusing explanation :)
Jul-11-06  lopezexchange: 39d4; 40.Qe4,d3; 41.Bd1,Qd4; 42.Qe6+,Kh7; 43.Ne7,Rf8; 44.Qg6+,Kh8 ; 45.Bf3,Qf6; 46.Qe4,Qxf3+; 47.Qxf3,Rxf3; 48.Kxf3,b4; 49.Nd5,c3; 50.Ke3,c2; 51.Kd2,b3; 52.Kc1,d2+; 53.Kxd2,a4; 54.Nb4,a3; 55.Nxc2,a2; 56.Kc1,bxc2; 1-0
Sep-18-08  talisman: black's 22nd.♗-f7....that is some kind of move; the kind i would never see.
Jun-30-09  Knight13: <talisman> But, sir, that bishop was in the open!
Oct-20-10  nelech: according to Kasparov the position after 39 Ng6 is drawn . After 39 ... d4 40 Qe4 d3 41 Bd1! Qd4 42 Qe6+ Kh7 43 Nf4 " White does not leave the ennemy king in peace " . 39... b4 ! "was stronger although even here after 40 Bf5! b3! 41 Qe3 White would not lose "
Mar-01-12  talisman: <Knight13> sorry i missed your reply. what i would've seen was 22...♗xf3 23.♖xf3 ♕xb4 24.♗e4 and white would be fine. Karpov's move leaves white with problems one of which is his pawn blocking his attack.
Jul-16-13  GilesFarnaby: That awkward moment in a Wch Match when you have four connected passed pawns... and you draw.
Apr-10-14  Everett: I believe there is indeed missed win by Karpov with the right timing of ..Bxe6, yet I forget the move number.
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