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Viktor Korchnoi vs Anatoly Karpov
"This Old Man Plays d4" (game of the day Sep-24-2010)
Karpov - Korchnoi Candidates Final (1974), Moscow URS, rd 21, Nov-11
Queen's Indian Defense: Anti-Queen's Indian System (E17)  ·  1-0



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  Domdaniel: <Petrosianic> - <The problem, most likely, is that it's very hard to get back into chess when you've gotten completely out of it.>

Or, as Bob Dylan put it: "You can always go back, but you can't come back all the way". (Mississippi)

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  perfidious: < Bob Dylan put it: "You can always go back, but you can't come back all the way". (Mississippi)>

Don't I know it.

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  Domdaniel: <perf> Guess we all have a Mississippi that we stay in "just a day too long".

I was reminded of this game when I saw it in Cyrus Lakadwala's new book on Viktor K -- <Korchnoi: Move by Move>.

His note to move 13 is superb (he'd already given a '!!' to 11.Qd2):

Glass shatters, concrete crumbles and metal bends. White attackers flow from nowhere with unified intent. The knight nursed a grudge against h7 for quite some time now, the long-festering resentment bubbles over into violence, and the strain on the defence surpasses capacity."

Sure, the prose borders on the purple -- but for once the context demands it.

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  perfidious: <Dom> Been there, done that, come to Missisip.

Lovely stuff from Lakdawala.

My only recollection of L is travelling to a team match at Montreal in September/early October 1977 and seeing him on the opposing team--never heard of him again till he emigrated to the warmer climes of southern California, by which time he was quite a strong player.

Nov-25-16  N.O.F. NAJDORF: I once read on a forum opinions of the outcome of a Fischer v Karpov match in 1975.

I couldn't believe it when people said, '13-11 to Fischer' and so on, assuming the match duration would have been the same as in 1972. Certainly, most opinions I have come across over the years are that Fischer would have won.

I disagree.

Fischer maintained that a very long match, of unlimited duration, with the winner being the first to win ten games, would be a better way to determine which of the two players was better.

He was proved wrong in 1984, when the World Championship match was abandoned after forty-eight games, with Karpov leading Kasparov by 5-3.

What that match proved was that a very long match would become a test of endurance rather than ability.

In my opinion, the Fischer v Karpov match would also have been abandoned.

Apr-01-17  Jeweller: Chess friends. Chess engines analyze this game here:
Apr-02-17  Lambda: If Fischer 1972 plays Karpov 1975, I certainly don't think either player has reached 10 wins after 48 games, assuming nothing major goes wrong and discounting fatigue. You're looking at a match of roughly equivalent calibre to the Karpov-Kasparov ones, neither of those players is going to be losing a lot of games quickly.
Jun-06-17  Petrosianic: But this game wasn't played on June 6.
Jun-06-17  Howard: No, but D-Day took place 72 years ago today. Let's remember THAT instead.
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  keypusher: <Howard: No, but D-Day took place 72 years ago today. Let's remember THAT instead.>

73. Karpov hadn't been born yet, but Korchnoi had already survived the siege of Leningrad.

Jun-06-17  Howard: 72 or 73? What's one measly year between friends?

Interesting point about Korchnoi's having been in Leningrad during the siege!

If I remember correctly, by the point, both of Petrosian's parents perished during the siege.

And Botvinnik left Leningrad by train just two days before the Germans sabotaged the railroad track that his train left on.

Jul-21-17  Saniyat24: Forget Karpov vs Fischer for a second...Have there been a more hotly contested Candidates Final than the 1974 Karpov-Korchnoi? It was played under immense pressure and drama...and Korchnoi fought like hell(he also lost some from winning positions...) If only Korchnoi could have played without all that drama and pressure... After seeing the pun and playing through the game my reaction was..."Yes he played d4 and not an iota of space to his opponent...!"
Jul-21-17  Howard: Keep in mind that Karpov-Korchnoi 1974 was saturated with draws---probably the main reason this match seems to have been swept under the rug all these years.

Oddly enough, Chess Life & Review back then game full coverage to all the Candidates games during the quarterfinals and the semifinals, giving annotations to most of the games. But for this match, they gave just the bare game scores!

To be fair, Mednis analyzed a lot of the endings over a span of three issues in the magazine, though.

Incidentally, none of Korchnoi's three losses came from "winning positions", contrary to your comment...especially in Game 2! Granted, Korchnoi did botch at least a couple won positions and thus had to settle for draws.

Jul-21-17  Petrosianic: People are superficial, and look only at the draws without looking at the games. Actually, this was a very fighting match. The games averaged about 48 moves each, which is very high, and would have been higher, if a couple of the decisive games didn't drag the move count down.
Jul-30-17  clement41: I simply love that game!
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  mjmorri: 11. Qd2 is the kind of move a beginner would make because they do not realize that they should not block their Bishop and prevent it from developing.

It is the kind of move an intermediate player would avoid because it prevents the Bishop from developing smoothly.

Finally, it is the kind of move a strong player would make because they understand very well the strategic and tactical nuances of the current position.

Feb-09-22  N.O.F. NAJDORF: < diceman:

One interesting side note to this game,
after 17...Bxd5, Korchnoi had forgotten if you could castle with your rook attacked. He asked the Match Arbiter if 18.0-0 was legal!
When he was told he could, that's what he played.>

I remember reading Korchnoi's account of this incident in his autobiography.

I have just come across this account of a similar incident involving a game played by grandmaster Averbakh in Australia:

Larry Evans' spelling derives from the fact that Averbakh is an English transcription of the Russian transcription of the German name Auerbach.

Averbakh was half-Jewish.

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  perfidious: <NOF....Averbakh was half-Jewish.>

Still is, seeing how he just turned 100.

Feb-09-22  Sally Simpson: ...and, apparently, there is no such thing as being 'half Jewish' If your mum was Jewish then you are 100% a Jew, if your Mum was not Jewish then you are a not a Jew.

It is a ruling that dates back 3,300 years.

Bobby Fischer's mum was Jewish....(says I tossing a can of worms into the thread. I'm off to bed, I'll be back in the morning to see who has opened it.)

Feb-10-22  Olavi: <Sally Simpson> Rosenberg did not share your view, many others did not. Alltough I think most of them were oppurtunist.
Feb-10-22  Sally Simpson: Hi Olavi,

Not my view see the link. I added 'apparently.'

Feb-17-22  N.O.F. NAJDORF: <<NOF....Averbakh was half-Jewish.> Still is, seeing how he just turned 100.>

With apologies to the veteran grandmaster.
As you can see, I didn't check his Wikipedia entry, which confirms he is still alive, but it also confirms what I wrote about the origin of his family name:

Averbakh was born in Kaluga, Russia. His father was German Jewish,[2] and his ancestors came from Germany and were named Auerbach, meaning "meadow brook". His mother was Russian.

Feb-17-22  N.O.F. NAJDORF: < Sally Simpson: ...and, apparently, there is no such thing as being 'half Jewish' If your mum was Jewish then you are 100% a Jew, if your Mum was not Jewish then you are a not a Jew.

It is a ruling that dates back 3,300 years.

Bobby Fischer's mum was Jewish....(says I tossing a can of worms into the thread. I'm off to bed, I'll be back in the morning to see who has opened it.)>

The ruling you refer to is the view according to Jewish religious law.

I met Korchnoi once and heard him say to a journalist that he himself was half-Jewish, and that so was Averbakh, then chairman of the USSR Chess Federation.

It is just a straightforward arithmetical measure of how much Jewish ancestry one has.

For example, Helena Bonham Carter is three-eighths Jewish!

As for Bobby Fischer, his real father was Paul Nemenyi (originally Neumann, another German name), who was also Jewish.

That makes Fischer four-quarters Jewish, a fact of which he was painfully aware.

He did practically admit to his Hungarian girlfriend that Hans Gerhardt Fischer was not his real father.

Feb-17-22  Sally Simpson: Hi N.O.F. NAJDORF,

I only mentioned it because a number of years ago I said someone was 'half Jewish' and was quickly corrected by people in my company.

(nothing new for me there, I think I was born with my foot in my mouth. )

I had no idea it could be viewed as an insult. Later I looked into it to see if they were being over sensitive (or having a joke) but 'apparently' it is a boo boo.

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