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| May-12-18 | | thegoodanarchist: <CIO> Yes, and I appreciate it too! This is a fantastic positional struggle between two of the greatest masters of heavy-piece endings the world has ever known |
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| May-12-18 | | thegoodanarchist: <Saniyat > yes, we got a great one today ! |
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| May-12-18 | | cormier: 
click for larger viewAnalysis by Houdini 4: d 23 dpa
1. -+ (-1.69): 37.Rf2 Rf5 38.Rxf5 Qxf5 39.Qa1 Rc8 40.Qe1 Rc2 41.d5 Qxd5 42.Qe8+ Kh7 43.Qe4+ Qxe4 44.Rxe4 Rxb2 45.Ra4 Rb5 46.Kf2 g5 47.Ke2 Kg6 48.Kd3 Rb2 49.Rxa5 Rxh2 50.Ke3 h5 51.Rd5 Rb2 52.Rd3 Kf5 53.Kf3 Rb5 54.Ra3 h4 55.gxh4 gxh4 2. -+ (-5.90): 37.Rd1 Re2 38.Qf3 Rde8 39.Raa1 R8e3 40.Qg4 a4 41.Qc8+ Re8 42.Qh3 Qxb2 43.Rab1 Qc2 44.Qf1 a3 45.Qf3 a2 46.Rbc1 Qb2 47.Qc6 Rd8 48.Qf3 Rd2 49.Rf1 Qxd4+ 50.Kh1 f6 51.Ra1 Qb2 52.Kg1 Rxh2 53.Rfe1 Rc2 54.Qe4 Qb6+ 55.Qe3 Qxe3+ 56.Rxe3 Rdd2 |
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| May-12-18 | | cormier: 
click for larger viewAnalysis by Houdini 4
<33.Qc2> a5 34.Rxa4 Rc8 35.Rc4 Rxc4 36.Qxc4 Rb5 37.Rd2 Qb7 38.Qe2 Qb6 39.Qg2 Rb4 40.Qf2 Qc6 41.Qe2 g6 42.h4 Qb6 43.Qf2 Kg7 44.Kh2 a4 45.Qe2 Kg8 46.Qf2 Rb3 47.Rc2 Kg7 48.Kh3 Qd8 49.Rc4 a3 50.bxa3 Rxa3 51.Qg2
= / + (-0.67) Depth: 24 |
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| May-12-18 | | cormier: 
click for larger viewAnalysis by Houdini 4: d 24 dpa
1. = (-0.14): 23.Rc4 Rd6 24.Qc3 Nc6 25.Ba4 Rc8 26.Bc2 f5 27.Ba4 a6 28.Rc5 b6 29.Bxc6 Rdxc6 30.Rxc6 Rxc6 31.Qd3 b5 32.b3 Qd5 33.Re1 Kf7 34.Rd1 Qe4 35.Qxe4 fxe4 36.Re1 Rc2 37.a3 Rb2 38.Rxe4 Rb1+ 39.Kg2 Rxb3 2. = (-0.16): 23.Rc5 Rd6 24.Qc3 Nd5 25.Bxd5 Rxd5 26.Rc7 Qa4 27.Rd2 Qxa2 28.Rxb7 Qa6 29.Rc7 Qb6 30.Rc5 a5 31.b3 Qa6 32.f3 Qb6 33.Rxd5 Rxd5 34.Kg2 Qb7 35.Rc2 Rb5 36.Qc8+ Qxc8 37.Rxc8+ Kh7 38.Rc3 Rb4 39.Rc7 |
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May-13-18
 | | Check It Out: I would have played 44.Kg1 just to see if my 1750 rated opponent played 44...Qxa8 instead of 44...Rd1. But I'm not Korchnoi, obviously. |
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May-14-18
 | | Eggman: Karpov could have ended this game more quickly and prettily.
click for larger viewAfter the self-pinning 41...Rc2! White could resign on the spot, since after the forced 42.Qf1 Black nets queen for rook with 42...Rc1. |
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May-14-18
 | | Troller: Well, White resigned after two forced moves anyway, so maybe not a big deal. When one sees a clear win, no need to look for anything else. A very fine effort by Black in this game. |
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| May-14-18 | | Howard: Seems pretty surprising that no one has pointed out 41...Rc2! before, but it indeed seems to force the win...even though Black's position is already completely won anyway. |
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May-14-18
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Howard,
"Seems pretty surprising that no one has pointed out 41...Rc2! before." Eggman had actually mentioned before in 2005.
Korchnoi vs Karpov, 1981 (kibitz #20) If 41...Rc2 was the only way to win then Karpov, then at his ultimate peak would have played it.
click for larger viewHere he slipped in 41...g6 knowing the only defence was 42.Qf1 and he must not take the a8 Rook (42...Qxa8) because then 43.Qxf7+ is a perpetual. If Black tries to avoid it 43...Kh8 44. Qf6+ Kg8?? 45.Qxg6+ and White wins. Korchnoi could have sealed on move 41, but rather than seal and resign he went for this trap (41.QB1+ what else?) . Karpov coldly decided to play on to do the 42...Qc5+ 43...Qd4+ manoeuvre. 41...Rc2 would have been a neat wrap up but Karpov rarely played to the gallery if he saw a clear and simple way before hand. He would not have lost any sleep about not playing or missing 41...Rc2. The text is what he saw coming and played it. |
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Jan-01-19
 | | woldsmandriffield: Watson notwithstanding, 19 Rxc6 bxc6 20 Rc1 looks very tough to break down. 23 Rcd3 was also passive and 23 Rc5 Rd6 24 Qc3 might have been tried. The manner in which Karpov took over the Queenside and then struck in the centre with ..e5 is impressive. |
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| Jan-02-19 | | Howard: Your line looks rather obvious to anyone playing White, so that in itself makes it suspect. Kasparov's MGP probably refutes it--but I'm not home right now. Remind me to .... |
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| Jan-04-19 | | Howard: On second thought...
Kasparov gives a favorable impression of that line, plus he also states that Korchnoi thought for awhile on his move here. |
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| Jan-07-19 | | Howard: Kramnik--among others--stated that Karpov was an expert at petite combinations--that is, just two-or-three movers. This game, in my view, is an excellent case. Witness his 30...b6 move, followed by b5. |
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| Apr-29-19 | | Howard: What if Korchnoi had played 38.Kg2 in response to Karpov's backwards queen move ? I don't see how Karpov would have preceded. |
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| Apr-30-19 | | Granny O Doul: On 38. Kg2, ...Re1 looks extremely strong.
As for the Informant vote, world championship players seemed always to get a bit more respect. For an ordinary GM to be voted 5th or 6th best game was always quite something. Probably it was somewhat easier for an outsider to make the top TN's list. That's my feeling based on my own incomplete recollection. |
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| May-02-19 | | Howard: You're right ! Thanks ! Missed that move for some reason. |
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| May-09-19 | | Howard: Kasparov explains in MGP why 39.Qe1 would still have, nevertheless, lost, but judging from his analysis, that move would have been a harder nut for Karpov to crack. It would certainly have been a better try than meekly taking the a5-pawn, which is what Korchnoi did. |
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| Oct-11-23 | | Messiah: I am baffled. Which move is the turning point, where Black went certainly better? |
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Oct-11-23
| | Clement Fraud: <Messiah>
Hello
I am no grandmaster (not even a likely 1600); and yet, I can't help thinking that 22.Qe1 is bad. I can see the need White has for protecting his back-rank; but to decentralize his Queen - at this particular moment - seems a passive method of achieving fortification. My eye was then drawn to the possibility of 22.Bc2!? (threatening Qh7+)? It goes without saying that this idea is double-edged... but at least the most obvious response - 22... Rxb2?? - is immediately refuted. |
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Oct-11-23
 | | Honza Cervenka: I don't like 27.Bxd5. 27.a3 would have been a lesser evil. |
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| Oct-12-23 | | Messiah: A note to myself: a very deep analysis will be required to understand the nuances of this game. Probably I will do it during my lifetime - if I succeed, I will post it here. |
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Oct-12-23
| | Honza Cervenka: 19.Rxc6 and 22.Rd2 can be other improvements of white's play. After 27.Bxd5? black's advantage given by IQP on d4 became apparent. Maybe white could defend the worse position successfully in some way but it was too difficult task even for Viktor the Terrible. |
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| Dec-20-23 | | Petrosianic: There are few games where an isolated pawn turns out to be quite this weak. I've always thought that White was in a long term hole very early, when the Black-squared Bishops came off. Without that Bishop, his majors ended up tied down to the defense of the pawn, and forced him to create further weaknesses (like the cringe-inducing 30. f4?!). I just ran it through Stockfish, which doesn't see this. Stockfish thinks it's still dead even as late as Move 20, and less than a half pawn advantage for Black as late as Move 26. I think Stockfish is wrong on this, and simply wasn't able to see far enough ahead. In light of that, I really don't like Korchnoi's 16. Ne4. With the QP so weak, he's got to keep as much pressure on d5 as possible, and hope to have a chance to play pawn d5 at some point. The only Karpov move that Stockfish thought was an inaccuracy was 34...Qb5 (preferring Rc8). Otherwise it gave him 97.1% accuracy, |
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| Apr-05-24 | | mk volkov: "He insulted me during 8th and 9th games. In 10th, perhaps, scared that judges will put up a microphone and record his words, therefore just talked nonsense." - Karpov
"During 9th and 10th games the champion had to raise his hand 5 times, begging the main arbiter Paul Klein to go to the desk. Klein: "During the game Korchnoi swore at Karpov in Russian and threw mud at his country. We made some comments to Korchnoi." The game and the correct behaviour of the world champion are in sharp contrast with Korchnoi's behaviour." - "Rude pravo" |
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